Now is the time to stop acting passively...

[solrac]

This is sad. There are people stuck on OS 9 who COULD be on OS X.

As SOON as I have photoshop 7, Dreamweaver (or Go Live if it hits first), and Flash, OS 9 is getting ERASED. Wiped with 0's. And I will celebrate that day, and burn my OS 9 CDs and watch them melt slowly.

If it wasn't for OS X I'd be a Windows user since last March. (Even though I was brought up from childhood on macs.)

Now here's the deal. If Go Live comes out first, I won't wait for Dreamweaver, which I have been using for years. No. I'll DELETE dreamweaver and use Go Live. I will spend the several hours it takes to get used to Go Live. Because OS X is top priority.

If Fetch never came out for OS X, I'd learn terminal FTP and become an expert at it. (Luckily Fetch came out, and Transmit is OK too, for FTP.)

See the pattern here? I am forcing OS 9 away, even if it means compromises.

Get off your ASSES people!

Someone said they need Netscape 4.x for their online bank. Screw that bank, then. Switch banks. My bank works with Explorer. Switching to OS X should be priority one. Anything else is less important. That's how bad OS 9 is. So switch banks. And move to OS X. Your bank lost you as a customer if they don't support the technology you need, which is OS X.

Someone is stuck on OmniPage for classic? Tough shit, that may never come out. Find another way to OCR, unless you make your living doing OCR. If not then compromise. Go OCR at Kinko's, or on a friends Window's box. Unless it's for school EVERY day, or for your living, ditch OS 9 and find another way.

Someone else said Outlook Express leashes them to the Hell of OS 9. Get Entourage. If you don't have money, pirate it. Who cares. You have to get off OS 9. If you pirate it, you can still save up money and buy it later. But you have to get off 9. Put OS X above your morals and pirate that shit.

You people need to do whatever it takes to switch to OS X! Don't wait passively! Make it happen!!

The only reason I still use classic mode is for photoshop, dreamweaver, and flash. Everything else I need has come out for OS X. I use these programs daily for my living so I can't ditch them and find another way.

My digital camera must be rebooted into 9 to work. So as soon as my apps above come out, if that camera still has no support, I'm throwing it in the ocean. The ebay ocean that is... heheh. I'm not keeping 9 on there just for my camera. I don't make my living with that. Sure, I may be camera-less for a while, but deleting OS 9 is the TOP PRIORITY.

EVERYONE MUST SWITCH TO OS X!!!!!!!!
(my computer hasn't crashed in 5 months)

Sincerely,
-solrac-

[Jadey]

My online bank wouldn't work with Explorer or Netscape under OS X. The older Netscape worked with it. I guess they figured everyone must have a wintel machine or an ancient Mac. I kept the account for other reasons, but used it very little. Fortunately, it now works under Netscape 6.1 and 6.2, but still, my browser of choice is now Omniweb. There's no reason a web site should only work on one specific platform or one specific browser, but lots of sites are like this. Using X instead of 9 in most cases won't work either - they want you to use Windows. This is entirely in conflict with how the web is supposed to work - platform independently.

I also agree that companies need to get their apps out for X as soon as possible. If Barebones hadn't been so quick about getting BBEdit out, they woulda lost me to Pepper.

[Krevinek]

Well, I agree OS X is worth moving over to, but what about us still on older machines that will never officially be supported with MacOS X? I suppose you would say that I need a new machine. I agree, but that isn't the point. I am in a financial situation which prevents me from getting a new machine within the next few months, which means I am stuck with OS 9 for the majority of the stuff I do. Whee...

[edX]

you ought to share some of what you're smoking solrac.

i think the one of the true beauties of osx is 2-systems-in-one! I have some things that will never be updated that i love - like games for instance. to me, it's a great thing that i will be able to continue enjoying them for a long time to come without having to sacrifice the future to do so. don't even dream of taking my 9x away from me!!!
you don't have to feel sorry for people still using 9. Feel proud that you're using a system that boldly goes forward with progress without having to abandon its past.
burn your own 9 cds if you wish, if that's what makes you happy. (i'll start saving all my aol discs and send them to you so the blaze will be bigger, the colors prettier). but don't try to change my world. I like it here, being able to step between dimensions whenever i want. time travel on my desktop.

[solrac]

Originally posted by Ed Spruiell
you ought to share some of what you're smoking solrac.

i think the one of the true beauties of osx is 2-systems-in-one! I have some things that will never be updated that i love - like games for instance. to me, it's a great thing that i will be able to continue enjoying them for a long time to come without having to sacrifice the future to do so. don't even dream of taking my 9x away from me!!!
you don't have to feel sorry for people still using 9. Feel proud that you're using a system that boldly goes forward with progress without having to abandon its past.
burn your own 9 cds if you wish, if that's what makes you happy. (i'll start saving all my aol discs and send them to you so the blaze will be bigger, the colors prettier). but don't try to change my world. I like it here, being able to step between dimensions whenever i want. time travel on my desktop.

I'm smoking crack, and I can't share any of it because it is expensive. I don't have enough money for crack. I get money from my mom. I threaten her with a semi-automatic.

Sorry... quoting Wesley Willis lyrics here... d'OH!!

seriously though, I know there are some collector programs in 9. Like graphing calculator. I talked to the author. He can't port that to OS X. Development would be ENOURMOUS and he has no funding. And Shadow Warrior. HILARIOUS game. And some emulators. And OS 9 itself as a collector's OS.

But to me, none of that stuff is worth the pain of rebooting to OS 9 or the suffering of loading classic. If you got collector's stuff you wanna keep, hell yeah don't delete OS 9.

My call is for people to use X. Not necessarality delete 9. I am going to vaporize 9, but if someone else adopts X, and still uses 9 for some purpose he enjoys it for, I'm not complaining. Everyone has to use X as their main system though. Change must take place!!

And Krevinek... sorry about your financial situation. But like I said, you must move to X. So top priority is moving to X. Save your money for a new machine as quickly as you can. Put that above other priorities, like eating. Just kidding. But put it above other priorities, like if your saving for an iPod, Playstation 2, and XBox, put those AFTER your new mac, so you can get OS X.

But save the money. That's a move to OS X. Do it. You'll thank me later.

-solrac-

[simX]

Jadey -- about your problem about not being able to access some sites because they require you to use a specific browser or platform, it may be simply because they are restricting access to that browser or platform, not that your browser/platform can't support that webpage. Browser's actually submit a profile when they go to a website, and sometimes websites block certain browsers.

The solution? Omniweb. Go to the preferences, and go to the Compatibility pane under the Advanced settings. There you can tell OmniWeb to emulate a different browser, even one on Windows! This is not a guarantee that it will make certain websites work, because OW still does not support some standards, but it might work, so you can try it.

[Krevinek]

Originally posted by solrac

And Krevinek... sorry about your financial situation. But like I said, you must move to X. So top priority is moving to X. Save your money for a new machine as quickly as you can. Put that above other priorities, like eating. Just kidding. But put it above other priorities, like if your saving for an iPod, Playstation 2, and XBox, put those AFTER your new mac, so you can get OS X.

But save the money. That's a move to OS X. Do it. You'll thank me later.

-solrac-

Actually, I leave the consoles to my friends. I have CVGS running smoothly enough on this 8600 w/V3 (still waiting for that V5 to show) to play my RPGs for the PSX. I can't play any 3D PSX fighting games, but I can just jump to my NeoGeo emulator for that, because I just have this thing for the KOF series. (Capcom vs SNK 2 is also nice, mainly because I can use my favorite KOF, Last Blade and Samurai Showdown characters to kick the snot out of any other SNK or Capcom character in the game... whee! Take that Ryu! Yuri will kick your ass!)...

Anyways, back to the topic: I can actually run OS X decently, just not as great as I would like. Cleaner 5 takes about 20min to encode 1 min of MPEG-1 video/audio, running under Classic or OS 9 by itself. I do some heavy stuff that used to be great on this machine, but now it just doesn't cut it. My financial situation isn't really linked to money wasted on toys, but rather the fact I have a 45 grand college bill I have to pony up for, and that TiBook I want is a little over 2 grand... add in the cost of the firewire drive and A->D bridge, and it puts it near 3 grand. Not chump change for a college student wanting/needing a pro-end macintosh with mobile capabilities... although I may put off the laptop in favor of one of the new G4 systems coming out this Jan, and get a laptop after college instead of the other way around. Still need the A->D bridge for video capture though.

[edX]

1st - jadey & simx - all the new generation have the ablity to identify as a more 'popular' browser. you'll find it in the preferences of i-cab and opera as well as ominweb. it might help with a specific site and it might not. it's a play around and see kind of thing. the problem with all the new browsers is that they don't come downloaded to act just like the old standards. you have to reconfigure them to get them close. It should be the other way around. and to stand up for jadey as well, there are sites that just plain won't let you in or won't work with any newer browser, osx or not. (its ironic that apple itools seems to be oe of the worst)which is why john and jane doe in plainsville are in no hurry to switch to osx. "that's just the future honey. we've got to have a computer that works right now"
which leads me to solrac (good lyric quoting by the way) - without going thru and snipping and clipping, let me just say that your first post seems to say that switching to osx = burning 9. hence my response. now you seemed to have sobered up since then or maybe you just ran out of sugar, i don't know. but your reply is entirely right. i know i have found myself losing interest in more and more 9 apps. seems like every other day a good replacement for one of them comes out. i'm getting closer and closer to not launching classic on startup and waiting for it when i want to do something with it.
you could even say that i have already been doing what you want. i switched my lady's new 600mhz imac over to osx about 3-4 weeks ago. she bitched about it for about a week and now she almost uses it like it is normal to her. she uses winders ninetee five at work and wishes it would be the same so she wouldn't have to learn anything new. She only got the mac so that if she broke anything , i could fix it. (other people are always fixing her pc at work.) so as the system admin, i moved her into the future.

I'll still save those aol disks if you want to make a bigger fire.

"let me stand next to your fire..." - Jimi Hendrix