I am fed up!

[gradic]

You know what, I really wish there will be an open-source project to hack OS X so it will be like OS 9 on a single-user Unix kernel. No new UI, no new FS, no Cocoa, just good old great Mac OS. I am fed up with "one day you will love the new way of doing things".

The dock, the file system and the non-desktop centered metaphor sucks, get it?

Here is what I like about OS X:

* powerfull multitasking

* "wanna save?" dialog sticks to the document window instead of blocking the access to application

* the left-most application menu, with "Preferences" and "Quit"

* column view on the Finder

... I guess that's all. It's not worth switching from OS 9.

Now I will end my session of OS X and boot back in good old OS 9. Aaahhh...

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Think Unix is cool? Get Linux. If you like Macs stick with OS 9. Enough is enough.

[AdmiralAK]

Does OS 9 "do it" for you ?
Then my friend here is a simple solution....
DONT GET OS X :-)

You are happy....we are happy..the whole world is happy :-)

[jove]

Hello,

I couldn't stand MacOS X for the first two weeks. Now everything about 9, between its inconsistancies, crashing, and even aesthetics, I find grating.

Pure aesthetics - neither 9 or X are Mac-Like. The UI is should be subtle - look at 7.

Functionaly - X is more mac-like than 9. It is stable, more intuitive (but not for old-hats with prejudices), and offers more end-user functionality.

Some of the gradic's complaints have already been observed and acted upon for the latest builds of X.

X is not the hacked together MacOS9 we have grown to love and hate. New is not bad :->

Jove

[dalee]

Why argue over which OS is more Mac like? OS9 and OSX are both great in their different ways and I'm sure within the next year or so _ALL_ the features missing from OSX that people loved in OS9 will emerge as a result of shareware dev etc...

I would expect that just for the nostalgic peeps, some shareware developer will make something that works with Aqua to recreate the old mac interface - just like the version f aqua without all the animation that was designed for slower macs only it looks like OS9.

Personally I love X - sure it means I am constantly having to think about how to do things that are second nature to me on OS9 but the benefits of the new system (in particular networking stuff) far outway the drawbacks

[gradic]

I will be HAPPY if they would add my list of benefits
to 9 instead of starting from sratch and messing things up.

Much love.

[AdmiralAK]

Sometimes that is not efficient.
If you are trying to rework an old program to do new things
it is not at all efficient. It might take more time than it
would take to make a new one.



Admiral

[jove]

Hello,
To expand on AdmiralAK's quote...

Several years ago Apple was three months from calling it quits or being the resourceless lacky of some other company. In a desperate move they purchased Next (alternatives were BeOS, liscence NT, Amiga, or do nothing). The Jobster was part of the package :->

Next was and is a complete OS with its own UI and some pretty amazing services. Apple had and still has the difficult task to repackage Next as its own. How to do that?

Most applications are developed top-down. Meaning you prototype a UI that fits the business logic and then you program the busness logic. Operating Systems require a bottom-up approach. Too many dependencies on the lower level exists.

The "bottom" was written at Next and worked. The "bottom" is why Apple purchased Next. They failed at least three times to create a "modern" OS on their own (Taligent, intent of System 7, and Copeland). Apple kept trying to shoe horn in a new "bottom" into the existing "top" - top-down.

So what does this rant of mine mean? Simply many of the behaviors, organization, and UI widgets in MacOS9 do NOT make sense in X. Design is an iterative process. The only way to do X justice is to let it evolve over time - not to stick in MacOS9 stuff in willy-nilly because some people fight change. The Stevenote at MacWorld showed they actually did :-(

Starting from scratch was necessary and did not mess things up. Starting from scratch is doing for the software what the iMac did the hardware.

I'm done.
Jove

PS
gradic, what exactly don't you like about X? Have you seen the latest builds of X? Big differences!

[gradic]

I loved it when I seen it, then I grow into hating it. It's not simple and obvious. One can give an iMac with OS9 to his/her 3 year old son and he is going to send e-mails by himself in the first day of use. Aqua is not that simple. Not by far.

Not to mention alienating Mac veterans.

PS: Yes, I seen screenshots, reviews and everything I could find about the new builds. The crappy folder structure is still there, the dock is still there, aqua is as lame as in the public beta.

Vive le OS9!