Inquirer/AmdZone/DigitalVideoEditing Opteron vs Apple/IBM G5

[hulkaros]

Those sites making huge fun against Apple/IBM here:
http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2..._interview.htm
here:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10547
and here:
http://www.amdzone.com/

The piece (95%) from The Inquirer:
"THERE'S A FUN interview with the Apple hierarchy over at Digital Video Editing.

After telling interviewee Charlie White all about Mac OSX and the G5, they're challenged about the statement that Apple has released the "first 64-bit desktop".

Charlie makes the Apple marketeers splutter when he mentions that BOXX shipped a dual processor 64-bit desktop on June 4th.

At first they try and tough it out, but then try and redefine the meaning of desktop.

Nor do the Apple folk seem aware that the Opteron is a 64-bit processor."

Even at AMD's own site Opteron is ONLY for Workstations/Servers and not for Desktops as seen (or not seen ) at AMD Desktops A-H here: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...1_3098,00.html
Desktops I-Z: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...1_3109,00.html
Opteron Workstation and Opteron Server solutions ONLY, here:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...1_6340,00.html
and here:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...1_3929,00.html

Even here:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=HOM001
AMD makes CRYSTAL CLEAR that Opteron is Workstation/Server solution and not a Desktop one! What's next? Just because one can buy a 16-way server from IBM that too, is a Desktop system?

I emailed all those people to let them know what gives here:
newsdesk@theinquirer.net
cwhite@digitalmedianet.com
chris@amdzone.com

Pics of my replies will be here soon...
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If you feel like it, you too, let them know your take on the subject...

They are absulotely scared those Wintel/Amd people about the G5 and Apple in general! On one hand I totally enjoy it but on the other hand it makes me I cannot wait for my Dual G5/2GHz!

[jazzyjim]

Hey dude,

I've read the interview to the end and the apple/ibm guys come out very well, even the interviewer admitted that he wanted one. The fact that these other sites have picked out one small (and incorrectly informed) part of the interview just advertises their own ignorance.

They are worried that Apple now has a competitive chip and architecture and will successfully hold on to (maybe even expand out of) the niche markets that Intel and AMD are trying to move into.

An opponent is always at their most dangerous when cornered, until recently, Apple was cornered. Now all Apple has to do is make this advantage stick!

[serpicolugnut]

Let me say a few words about Charlie White...

First off, he's a very credentialed individual. But his bias against Apple is so thick you'd need a army core of engineers to cut through it.

Read his article on Premiere Pro. The man is clearly giddy with Premiere Pro not being available for the Mac. You can almost feel his grin getting wider as he gouds the Premiere publicist in to detailing Adobes drop of the Mac (in part 2 of the interview, here.

[RacerX]

It really depends upon how liberal your definition of "desktop systems" is. How do you define a desktop? The SGI Indy that I use daily is a 64-bit system. When SGI started shipping them back in 1993 they were running on 64-bit processors. By about 1995 SGI had a 64-bit OS for them. I have Gimp, Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat Reader, Netscape Communicator, AbiWord and a handful of games on it. It is smaller then the Power Macintosh 6100 that came out about the same time. I could use a Palm (via one of two Apple serial ports in the back) with it. I could use a Zip Drive (via SCSI-2 with HFS formated disks) with it. It doesn't seem to have any problems seeing my LaserWriter printer. Other then the fact that it was sold as a workstation it could just as easily be a desktop system.

On the other hand IRIX is by definition a workstation/server OS, not a consumer OS. Mac OS X is a consumer OS that can be used as a workstation OS. Windows NT 4.0 Workstation is a workstation OS. Windows 2000 Professional is a workstation OS. Windows XP Professional is a workstation OS. BOXX sells their systems with either Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional and calls them workstations. Given that, how are these systems supposed to be desktop systems?

So if we look at the lines in the interview everyone is talking about:

[i]Charlie White: Now, you're saying it's the first 64-bit desktop machine. But isn't there an Opteron dual-processor machine? It shipped on June 4th. BOXX Technologies shipped it. It has an Opteron 244 in it.

Rubinstein: Uh...

Akrout: It's not a desktop.

Charlie White: That's a desktop unit. [i]

RacerX: Not according to BOXX Technologies, they aren't.

[hulkaros]

A bit more info... Straight from Boxx here:
http://www.boxxtech.com/asp/opteron.asp
or here:
http://www.boxxtech.com

BOXX themselves say that they sell Opteron Workstations and Servers!

In this blind hatred against Apple/IBM's G5 from those PROs it is not depending on the definition of what is Desktop/Workstation computer... If according to AMD AND BOXX, Opteron is for Workstations and above those PROs should back off and take some PRO lessons

If I can afford to buy a 16-way computer and use it for Solitaire that doesn't make that computer a Desktop, does it?

To jazzyjim:
Actually, as serpicolugnut said (and from what I know) that guy is against Apple in every change he gets... Oh, and Welcome here

[fryke]

Please, people, calm down... It's all marketing, isn't it... I need a computer in order to do my graphics design work. Do I have to decide whether I want a workstation or a desktop machine? Nope. I need a fast machine capable of running Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator etc. Both of those machines can do that. WHAT defines a workstation? WHAT defines a desktop? Isn't a PowerMac G5 pretty much a workstation?

I'm pretty sure I don't care as much as you do, hulkaros... :/

[hulkaros]

Originally posted by fryke
Please, people, calm down... It's all marketing, isn't it... I need a computer in order to do my graphics design work. Do I have to decide whether I want a workstation or a desktop machine? Nope. I need a fast machine capable of running Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator etc. Both of those machines can do that. WHAT defines a workstation? WHAT defines a desktop? Isn't a PowerMac G5 pretty much a workstation?

I'm pretty sure I don't care as much as you do, hulkaros... :/

...what you are saying Fryke if only there weren't out there SO many people going against Apple in every chance they get and we were living in a utopia where all computer platforms were co-existing happily ever after!

The worst part is that those supposedly PROs are the ones who "educate" the masses and not you or any other computer-peacemaker out there...

If Apple says G5 is a Desktop and AMD/Boxx say that Opteron is Workstation/Server why me, you or anyone else try to say otherwise?

And I think we all know that the real problem isn't if G5/Opteron is Workstation, Desktop, whatever but how some PROs sites and their people try to spread Apple FUD THAT much while at the same time making fun of us

[hulkaros]

The reply of AMDZone to me:
"You sir are a fool, and are not qualified to comment."

Another professional example of them!