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Old February 27th, 2004, 03:05 PM
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Where is the vaunted OSX stability?

I keep reading about how OSX 'never crashes'. May need a logout etc. to fix problems.

Bunk.

I crash this machine multiple times a week. I can reproduce a crash reliably. If I login to my Windows XP machine from OSX (ie I open a folder on the windows box), initiate a file copy, then do anything else that accesses that machine (move an icon, try to open a folder etc) then I get the spinning pizza wheel of death. Other applications behave normally, even the dock, but the finder is crashed. If I force quit (ie relaunch) the finder, I get a blank desktop with a dark background menu bar. Nothing I do will bring the finder back to life. I can still launch and use other apps, but the finder is dead dead dead.

If I try to logout I can't as, I can't access the apple menu. If I hold down the power bar and select restart - nothing happens. Same with sleep or shutdown. I have to press and hold the power key (this is a powerbook) until I force a shutdown, then restart.

THAT my friends, is a hard crash - and I get it several times a week.

Running Panther, fully updated, and I did a repair permissions and attempted Norton Disk Doctor - all to no avail.

Suggestions?

Switch to Linux?

Give up on a stable OS period?
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Old February 27th, 2004, 03:44 PM
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It took me about 5 seconds to find http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/
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Do you notice that the reason why your computer crashes is because you are using a Microsoft product? From what I can tell from your post, you are using the Microsoft Remote Desktop client - Very buggy... For tips when this happends Hold Command-Option and tap Escape. The Force Quit dialog will apear (even if the finder is whacky.) The finder in my experiance has to be re-launched multiple times to get it working normally. But almost everytime it goes squirrly on me, is because of a crap program, made my MS.

Sorry for the rant.
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Old February 27th, 2004, 04:27 PM
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I have heard from many people that the latest build of OS X (10.3.something) is buggy and the word from apple-care is to revert back to a pre-update version of X. Maybe this will solve your problem?
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Old February 27th, 2004, 04:41 PM
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10.3 is extremely stable. I have it on three machines, works perfectly. Most people don't have problems, but you need to tell us more about your setup. Model, ram, etc.

Norton's, all by itself, could be causing your problems.
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I must admit that I have found myself rebooting OS X 10.3.2 several times in the last week or two, but in every case it was because I was installing one update or another. I have never had a kernel panic even in the OS X Public Beta and never since then. My Macs all run 24x7 usually for weeks or months on end without restarting except for updates. OS X is inherently extremely stable!

Since you are crashing as often as you say you are there have to be reasons for it but without further information regarding your hardware and software configuration and the crashes you are having there is no way to help you debug the system.
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10.3.2 is rock solid for me, it has _never_ crashed and i've never had to log out or reboot because something wasn't responding. I can't remember how long ago i intsalled panther, but i have probably rebooted less than 5 times, only b/c some installions forced me to do so
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Congratulations!

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It took me about 5 seconds to find http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/
Good for you mate! Don't see where that is relevant to this discussion - but hey!, congratulations!
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