Pissed at OSDN

[kilowatt]

Perhaps this is the wrong place for this, but I feel it will reach the correct audiance.

Page 31, OPEN magazine, June, 2001:
"Suprisingly, the Mac OS X leaves out native NFS connectiity in the current release and only those servers actually running the Mac OS are recognized in the applet that currently replaces the classic Chooser."

Page 32:
"Our only disappointment in wireless testing occured with the Mac. As with Windows, the Mac's OS 9 cannot directly access NFS volumes without additional third-party software. We had anticipated that situation would all change with the BSD/Mach-based Mac OS X. Basic connectivity actually turns out to be slightly less with the initial OS X release.
The classic Chooser has been replaced with a "Go To" network applet that functions much like the old Chooser. Unfortunately, this applet could not discover any file servers not actually running the Mac OS including Windows NT/2000 servers running Apple Share. Nonetheless, it was possible to attach to these servers by entering the server's network ID. Unfortunately, not even with direct identification could we attach to an NFS server. With Open Source, this lack will not likely persist for long."

Well, well, well. Somebody didn't do their homework.....

Last I checked, on my redhat box, not a single server of any type appears in the gmc. I guess redhat doesn't support nfs, apple talk or samba.

Its that kind of stupid logic that really makes me mad. Those bozoes at open must be really good buddies with Linus...

Any coments?

[strobe]

OSDN? Nothing but a bunch of Linux weenies?

DUH!

Cancel your subscription

[Fahrvergnuugen]

I'm a little bitter about the reaction toward MacOSX by some Linux fans. It's almost like some won't approve of it just because it's a Mac. That type of logic is just plain irritating.

[strobe]

Screw Linux weenies. They have always been arrogant and full of shit. Take away the GPL and all you have is a crappy OS with year 2000 hype. Now that the party is over they have just gotten more bitter and abrasive.

If Windows is "good-enough computing", what is Linux? A less expensive way to waste a lot more time.

[Fahrvergnuugen]

Good call

[kilowatt]

Hey, you guys are being a little harsh there.

If it wasn't for linux, I doubt UNIX would be anywhere. People would have given up in unix a long time ago.

Linux is one of the best operating systems.
Beats Windows. Beats Slowaris. Beats Irix. Beats lots of stuff.

We need linux in order for mac os x to succeed. Imagine if there was no linux. Would open-source be where it is today?

As it is, linux developers are porting their software over to Mac OS X. I doubt that many UNIX developers (hehe) would be porting to Mac OS X.

Everywhere you look, its "The power of UNIX with the simplicity of the Macintosh" or something like that.

But the big robust reputation of UNIX which proceeds it doesn't come from your old SPARC 10. Or your PDP-11, whatever that is. It comes from the huge linux croud. As it is, linux supports so many web sites, its unbelievable.

Just think, would Apache even be here if it wasn't for linux? I think we'd all be running arround with NCSA's web server. Or maybe we'd all either use winblows or a propritary unix on an expensive arcatecture.

Mac OS X is the perfect combination of open-source and closed-source. Open source kernel, closed source desktop. (Yeah, and closed source apps like textedit.app - who cares?) Its a great model of business, capitalism, and software.

And I think we have Linux to thank for that.

Some of you may argue that because NExT ran on a unix, Jobs used that as his reason to make OS X run UNIX. Not so. Jobs knows (as well as many others) that the linux communities have been waiting for this. The most powerfull computing platform, an open-source kernel, and an industry-supported operating system.

Linux and linux-users will fuel so much Mac OS X development, it will be unbelievable.

With or without Linus...

Sorry if I pissed anyone off... I feel like its my job to do that sometimes.

[Kartoffel]

If it wasn't for linux, I doubt UNIX would be anywhere. People would have given up in unix a long time ago.

I agree. If it wasn't for Linux, there would be far less visibility for Unix in general. As far as I'm concerned, Linux is "unix-like" enough to be considered a Unix, and it's pretty decent at that.

As it is, linux developers are porting their software over to Mac OS X.

The problem with Linux being as well-known as it is, is that everybody assumes that anything remotely related to Unix has to do with Linux and only Linux. Not even GNU has it roots in Linux! GNU started in the 80's and their first GNU-specific OS was HURD, not Linux. Newbies wrongly assume that everything unix related has to do with Linux.

I doubt that many UNIX developers (hehe) would be porting to Mac OS X.

Ouch, you sure put your foot in your mouth there. Mac OS X is BSD Unix. Unix developers have been the foundation longer than you can imagine. NeXTstep existed as a *nix long before Linux did. NeXTstep even predates 386BSD. Without the support of REAL UNIX developers from way back in those days and continuously right up to modern times, there would be no MacOS X.

How many UNIX developers are porting to Mac OS X? Plenty. Some of them work for Apple, some are independent. Jordan Hubbard just joined a few weeks ago. Wilfredo Sanchez left Apple but still does amazing work with the open source Darwin project.

But the big robust reputation of UNIX which proceeds it doesn't come from your old SPARC 10. Or your PDP-11, whatever that is. It comes from the huge linux croud. As it is, linux supports so many web sites, its unbelievable.

Unix has been robust long before Linux ever existed. My SPARC ran SunOS for years and was a small part of a huge, thriving world of robust Unix that had absolutely NOTHING to do with Linux. Today that same SPARC 10 is sitting in my closet running OpenBSD. It doesn't need hype to be good. Those who recognize quality can discover it on their own.

a propritary unix on an expensive arcatecture

Like NeXT? Good thing Apple can at least point out the few open source tidbits in Mac OS X, otherwise we'd be in that same boat today. At least back in the day when SparcStations were the hip thing, Sun kept the architecture open. Companies like Tatung and Ross built a thriving market of Sun clones and Sun even supported SunOS and Solaris on the clones! Nowadays you can run Linux, NetBSD or OpenBSD on that old hardware.

The Linux "croud" is not terribly famous for robustness. Care to count how many exploits for RedHat are announced every month? The most unbelievable aspect of Linux is how fragmented it is and how moronic some of Slashdot trolls can be. OTOH, Linux *can* be made into an excellent OS and there are plenty of outstanding folks in the Linux community.

Apache? It wouldn't be the #1 webserver it is today without FreeBSD behind it.

Just remember that Linux is the flashy newcomer. Unix has been around long before Linux. It's annoying to hear people assume that Linux is all there is to Unix.

Linux and linux-users will fuel so much Mac OS X development, it will be unbelievable.

I absolutely agree Let's welcome them and make Mac OS X into a kick-ass operating system! I also hope that OS X will attract developers from the *BSDs, from commercial *nixes, from BeOS, and even Windows developers.

[strobe]

Originally posted by kilowatt
Hey, you guys are being a little harsh there.

If it wasn't for linux, I doubt UNIX would be anywhere. People would have given up in unix a long time ago.

This is a good thing?!?!

Damn, where's my time machine so I can go kill Linux before he saves UNIX