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stripeydave - May 11, 2006 - 7:23 pm
Greetings-
I have been stumped trying to figure this one out so I am giving you a shot. Sometimes when I place an Illustrator file into Quark 6.5 and then export it as a PDF file, the logo will spread on me. If I may send you an image it will be immediately obvious, but basically, the Illustrator file is a logo of a local car dealership, that is all paths. On some of the paths there is a stroke applied but there is plenty of white space between the letters. However when I view it in Acrobat, the letters appear to have spread to the point of touching each other. I can think of no reason for this. If you like I will create an image in Photoshop to show you the problem and point you to it on my webspace.
Another issue I have encountered from time to time with another logo, is that sometimes the paths will look as if the rounded letters have been created with a series of small straight lines. In the world of imagesetting it would be called the flatness value, but I don't understand why it's happening. I am quite savvy on the mac and have been the troubleshooting guy myself for many years, but I can't get to the bottom of this. I have discovered a workaround to this problem by going to the Advanced button in the Print dialog box and then in the next window clicking on "Print as Image" checkbox and that has ended the problem. I'd still like to know why it's doing it though. However, the first issue is more pressing to me as I have a deadline looming using the first logo I spoke of.
I am working on a G5 dual 2Ghz mac, running Panther 10.3.9. I am using the CS suite (not CS2) along with QX6.5
Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this for me.
Best regards,
David Aaron
I have been stumped trying to figure this one out so I am giving you a shot. Sometimes when I place an Illustrator file into Quark 6.5 and then export it as a PDF file, the logo will spread on me. If I may send you an image it will be immediately obvious, but basically, the Illustrator file is a logo of a local car dealership, that is all paths. On some of the paths there is a stroke applied but there is plenty of white space between the letters. However when I view it in Acrobat, the letters appear to have spread to the point of touching each other. I can think of no reason for this. If you like I will create an image in Photoshop to show you the problem and point you to it on my webspace.
Another issue I have encountered from time to time with another logo, is that sometimes the paths will look as if the rounded letters have been created with a series of small straight lines. In the world of imagesetting it would be called the flatness value, but I don't understand why it's happening. I am quite savvy on the mac and have been the troubleshooting guy myself for many years, but I can't get to the bottom of this. I have discovered a workaround to this problem by going to the Advanced button in the Print dialog box and then in the next window clicking on "Print as Image" checkbox and that has ended the problem. I'd still like to know why it's doing it though. However, the first issue is more pressing to me as I have a deadline looming using the first logo I spoke of.
I am working on a G5 dual 2Ghz mac, running Panther 10.3.9. I am using the CS suite (not CS2) along with QX6.5
Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this for me.
Best regards,
David Aaron
stripeydave - May 16, 2006 - 1:46 pm
Still waiting for some help on this one 
stripeydave - May 21, 2006 - 2:52 pm
Wow, then days and counting now... I appreciate that this is a free volunteer site but wow! Still no answers?
Natobasso - May 24, 2006 - 2:08 pm
Howdy!
I just saw your question and I try to handle any and all design issues.
First question: does your placed illustrator logo have any placed images inside of it? Quark has an especially hard time ripping those. Make sure your logo file is only outlines/vector information.
Is your logo placed as an eps? This is the best format for Quark to utilize.
What are your pdf export settings? I'd use
You might also try previewing the image as hi res (it normally previews as an 8bit/lo res image) and see if the spreading is visible.
How much is the logo scaled, if at all, in Quark? Make it 100% if possible. The less work Quark has to do the better off your RIP will be.
I'd like to see the image on the web and maybe that will spark more ideas.
I just saw your question and I try to handle any and all design issues.
First question: does your placed illustrator logo have any placed images inside of it? Quark has an especially hard time ripping those. Make sure your logo file is only outlines/vector information.
Is your logo placed as an eps? This is the best format for Quark to utilize.
What are your pdf export settings? I'd use
You might also try previewing the image as hi res (it normally previews as an 8bit/lo res image) and see if the spreading is visible.
How much is the logo scaled, if at all, in Quark? Make it 100% if possible. The less work Quark has to do the better off your RIP will be.
I'd like to see the image on the web and maybe that will spark more ideas.
stripeydave - May 24, 2006 - 7:39 pm
Hi and thanks for responding.
You can see a jpeg I created here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~stripeydave/AcroProb.jpg
Here are my answers to your queries:
Q1: There are no placed images in the file.
Q2: It is an Illustrator EPS file, there are only paths, no live type.
Q3: PDF export from Quark 6.5 using the default (no resampling/downsampling) highest settings, i.e. Press-Ready Pdf. I am not using Distiller, just going straight from Quark.
Q4: It views fine with high-res previews, I keep them turned on by default as Quark's previews still suck this late in the game. Might be time to move on over to InDesign!
Q5: Not placed at 100% but that hasn't been a problem before, and I don't have the desire to create a new eps for each individual usage. Also, eps files require more information to be sent to the RIP than an equivalent TIF file. I am thinking of just rasterizing it at 1200dpi and using that in the future. (Though 300dpi would probably suffice!)
I spent 8 years in a service bureau so I know my way around output and file construction. This one is just plain weird!
Thanks again for any light you can shed on the subject.
Dave
You can see a jpeg I created here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~stripeydave/AcroProb.jpg
Here are my answers to your queries:
Q1: There are no placed images in the file.
Q2: It is an Illustrator EPS file, there are only paths, no live type.
Q3: PDF export from Quark 6.5 using the default (no resampling/downsampling) highest settings, i.e. Press-Ready Pdf. I am not using Distiller, just going straight from Quark.
Q4: It views fine with high-res previews, I keep them turned on by default as Quark's previews still suck this late in the game. Might be time to move on over to InDesign!
Q5: Not placed at 100% but that hasn't been a problem before, and I don't have the desire to create a new eps for each individual usage. Also, eps files require more information to be sent to the RIP than an equivalent TIF file. I am thinking of just rasterizing it at 1200dpi and using that in the future. (Though 300dpi would probably suffice!)
I spent 8 years in a service bureau so I know my way around output and file construction. This one is just plain weird!
Thanks again for any light you can shed on the subject.
Dave
Natobasso - May 24, 2006 - 8:09 pm
Funny: Can't view your jpg because it contains errors.
You can probably avoid any illustrator weirdness by using tif (as long as this object is on white and you don't mind a white background raster file instead of the vector logo.
There's obviously something wrong with the illustrator file. Maybe copy and paste to a new doc and save that as v2 and place it instead of the one causing problems. Maybe that will fix it.
I'd definitley recommend InDesign. I've used it exclusively the past two years and can't imagine going back. Tried to use Quark yesterday and it was so clunky I had to give up!
You can probably avoid any illustrator weirdness by using tif (as long as this object is on white and you don't mind a white background raster file instead of the vector logo.
There's obviously something wrong with the illustrator file. Maybe copy and paste to a new doc and save that as v2 and place it instead of the one causing problems. Maybe that will fix it.
I'd definitley recommend InDesign. I've used it exclusively the past two years and can't imagine going back. Tried to use Quark yesterday and it was so clunky I had to give up!
stripeydave - May 25, 2006 - 2:23 am
Thanks for the tips. That may be all I need to make the switch. Learning curve can't be that bad.
Take it easy.
Take it easy.
Natobasso - May 25, 2006 - 2:29 am
Would you like me to keep this thread open while you try some of my suggestions?
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