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David OTM - Dec 22, 2005 - 4:26 pm

Hi,

I recently went through hell trying to get my dual boot dual 1.25 Mac to boot in OS 10.2.8. I ended up reloading osX 10.2.1 from the install disks with no luck. Turned out to be a Lexar card reader attached via USB was the problem, even with no cards installed. A full weekend waisted.

So now I am trying to get everything back to 10.2.8. The OS is loaded but not all the apps are working. Safari, quicktime and dvd player are the ones I found so far. After downloading and reinstalling, I got safari and quicktime to work, but I can not get dvd player to launch. It begins to open then nothing.

Permissions have been repaired. The dvd player works in OS9.

Thanks,

David

David OTM - Dec 23, 2005 - 1:30 pm

Partial fix, new problem.

After scouring the forums here, I did the single user thing (fsck -yf) and that went fine. I repaired permissions again and dvd player launched!

Only now the problem is it crashes when I play a dvd (even ones I have previously played). The text on the screen keyboard and mouse frozen kind of crash. It playes the preview, gets to the dvd menu, and crashes when I ask it to play the movie.

?????

Thank you,

David

biggianthead06 - Dec 26, 2005 - 4:26 am

Hey there David,

this actually sounds like a problem I encountered a few weeks back. My first question: what are you dual booting? 9 and X? X and Linux? Please let me know. My second question: when you tried to reload into 10.2.1 did you try to completely reformat the machine or did you do an archive and install?

The reason why I'm asking is that the user's issues ended up being that he had archive and installed to the point where somehow the system confused itself between system folders (which shouldn't happen) and caused an important application (in this case X11) to stop working. The nature of the crash that you're getting is a bit concerning to me; how hard would it be for you to backup your home directory, reformat the machine, and start over? It might be an easy solution to this problem. however, if you provide some more details, maybe we can come to a resolution without having to resort to such drastic measures.

Cheers,
Bo

David OTM - Dec 26, 2005 - 4:48 pm

Bo,

Thanks for your response, this gets more interesting by the minute.

The dual boot is 9.2.2 and OSX.

My set up is for pro audio, I have a pci card from MOTU connected to a couple of hardware audio in/out boxes.

Seems like I might have fixed the DVD player problem - I think the mac was getting confused by my audio hardware sample rate which was set to 48k and it's internal rate which was at 44.1. I told the mac to use the pci card as it's clock.

New problem - when I boot from 10.2.8 now, as soon as the desktop appears a message comes up telling me (in multiple languages, thank you) that I have to reboot. All is frozen at this point. I have tried single user mode, and then booted while holding down the shift key (what is 'safe' mode?) and repaired permissions again. Stil can not complete the reguar boot up.

I will keep playing.

biggianthead06 - Dec 26, 2005 - 9:59 pm

Aha, welcome to the exciting world of kernel panics. This is similar to an extension conflict in the old days of OS 9; basically, your OS's kernel extensions are conflicting either with some piece of software or with the hardware on your system. read: very, very annoying.

Will the kernel panic happen without all the pro audio stuff plugged in? If it doesn't then there's an incompatibility there. We can probably sift around until we find some sort of fix either through patched software or another OS upgrade.

David OTM - Dec 28, 2005 - 12:04 am

I turned off everything, all external audio interfaces. I even tried unplugging my dsl and 2nd monitor, just to see.

Still will not let me boot in OS 10.2.8 without being in safe mode. I am going to guess that is like booting with extension off, right?

How do I check for 'conflicts?'

Thanks for hanging with me, Bo.


-David

biggianthead06 - Dec 28, 2005 - 3:43 am

Alas, there's no wonderful way to deal with kernel panics. Here's a bit of a primer on why they happen and how to deal with them:

http://www.macmaps.com/kernelpanic.html

most likely for you would be drivers; they load a lot of kernel extensions that might come into conflict. One way of working on these is to boot into safe mode and then made an "unused extensions" folder somewhere on your computer. Kernel extensions are in system/library/extensions, and there will be a lot of them; remove any that seem to make reference to any of the hardware you've added on and drag them into the unused extensions folder. When that's done, reboot and see if it's still panicking.

Happy to help; hopefully this can be resolved for you soon.

David OTM - Dec 28, 2005 - 10:11 pm

Bo,

We are booting in 'un'safe mode!

Here I an thinking apple completly changed the OS, but I was just dealing with an extention conflict (in OS 9 speak).

Had to learn how to delete kernals using the terminal, but that was not too hard.

The problem was the MOTU audio driver. I looked in the old system that was archived when I re-installed OS 10.2.1 and it was version 1.06, the version I re-installed was 1.08 which did not make the computer happy.

There you go. I still can not launch dvd player, but I can launch a 3rd party dvd player, and for some reason in the audio/midi panel I can not make the pci card stay as the controller, but these are things I can work on BECAUSE WITH YOUR HELP I AM ABLE TO BOOT MY COMPUTER!!!

Thanks a million.

-David

biggianthead06 - Dec 29, 2005 - 3:22 am

no worries; yup, in a lot of ways OS X is very very similar to OS 9; it's a credit to apple's programmers and engineers that they've managed to take something as different as classic mac OS and UNIX and make them as similar as they are.

Glad to hear I could be of help; congratulations and don't forget to use macosx.com for all your tech support needs