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acsigirl - Mar 13, 2006 - 5:38 pm
Upgrading to System 0X at last
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Hi people, first post.
I have happly worked on my quicksilver G4 on System 9.2.2. till now.
When I first got the machine it had System X installed but I had an hard drive problem and the tech guy provided me with larger HD but did not partitioned it and worse didnt re install OS X. I did use 9.2.2. cause all my applies where for it but now it is crucial I upgrade because I need to finish a job (fast!) for which I must have Flash 8 that as you all know wont run on 9. Let alone downloading anything in dmg nowdays....
Now I have not got a clue is there is any rules of thumbs to keep in mind because I cannot mess up the system now in the middle of this job.
I have read somewhere that I must make sure that some folders (system, applications etc) are renamed if I want to keep both systems on.
I hope someone can tell me what safe procedure to follow to install the System.
Please help, I am truly stuck and I cannot afford to swap completely to OS X because of the applications I need running.
Thanx a bientot j'espere
acsiG_
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Hi people, first post.
I have happly worked on my quicksilver G4 on System 9.2.2. till now.
When I first got the machine it had System X installed but I had an hard drive problem and the tech guy provided me with larger HD but did not partitioned it and worse didnt re install OS X. I did use 9.2.2. cause all my applies where for it but now it is crucial I upgrade because I need to finish a job (fast!) for which I must have Flash 8 that as you all know wont run on 9. Let alone downloading anything in dmg nowdays....
Now I have not got a clue is there is any rules of thumbs to keep in mind because I cannot mess up the system now in the middle of this job.
I have read somewhere that I must make sure that some folders (system, applications etc) are renamed if I want to keep both systems on.
I hope someone can tell me what safe procedure to follow to install the System.
Please help, I am truly stuck and I cannot afford to swap completely to OS X because of the applications I need running.
Thanx a bientot j'espere
acsiG_
skapp - Mar 13, 2006 - 8:37 pm
The most important things to consider are:
1. You need at least 128 MBs of RAM to install 10.3.x (Panther) or 256 MBs to install 10.4.x (Tiger.)
2. You need a minimum of 6 GBs of free space on your hard drive during OS X installation. After installation you need to provide at least 5-6 GBs or 15 percent of the hard drive's capacity, whichever is greater, as free space.
3. The hard drive must be formatted Mac OS Extended (HFS+) for OS X. You may already have formatted your drive properly for OS 9.
4. Backup your current system before installing OS X. Better safe than sorry.
OS X can be installed on the same drive as OS 9 without interferring with OS 9. If you installed OS 9 normally the OS 9 folders already have the correct names: "System Folder", "Applications (Mac OS 9)", and "Documents". These three folders all should reside in the root directory of the hard drive. OS X will not disturb them during installation.
Here's a good checklist for installing Tiger, but it should be applicable to any version of OS X.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread....607363򔒃
1. You need at least 128 MBs of RAM to install 10.3.x (Panther) or 256 MBs to install 10.4.x (Tiger.)
2. You need a minimum of 6 GBs of free space on your hard drive during OS X installation. After installation you need to provide at least 5-6 GBs or 15 percent of the hard drive's capacity, whichever is greater, as free space.
3. The hard drive must be formatted Mac OS Extended (HFS+) for OS X. You may already have formatted your drive properly for OS 9.
4. Backup your current system before installing OS X. Better safe than sorry.
OS X can be installed on the same drive as OS 9 without interferring with OS 9. If you installed OS 9 normally the OS 9 folders already have the correct names: "System Folder", "Applications (Mac OS 9)", and "Documents". These three folders all should reside in the root directory of the hard drive. OS X will not disturb them during installation.
Here's a good checklist for installing Tiger, but it should be applicable to any version of OS X.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread....607363򔒃
acsigirl - Mar 14, 2006 - 2:44 am
Thanx for both answer.
I will be installing OSX 10.2 that came with the HD.
And yes I do have the naming of the System ) for app etc
Just a little question. Can I rename my 9.2 System folder like the applications? System (9) I mean can I change the name of such folder? Always wondered.
I was worried about not having partitions. I do have plenty ram and space.
To buck up I have a different problem here. Because of my DVD superdrive is not working (I thought that system 10 would also help to rescue it) I am off to by an external drive for it. Can you recomend something? I guess it will have to be USB. I am so out of touch I had a baby now 1!
Also you said to make sure it was formatted properly. As a tech guy did the job for me and I cannot contact him. (I moved out of the country) Can I check what I need to check via Drive Setup?
Hope I am clear.
Thanx again guys.
acsiG
I will be installing OSX 10.2 that came with the HD.
And yes I do have the naming of the System ) for app etc
Just a little question. Can I rename my 9.2 System folder like the applications? System (9) I mean can I change the name of such folder? Always wondered.
I was worried about not having partitions. I do have plenty ram and space.
To buck up I have a different problem here. Because of my DVD superdrive is not working (I thought that system 10 would also help to rescue it) I am off to by an external drive for it. Can you recomend something? I guess it will have to be USB. I am so out of touch I had a baby now 1!
Also you said to make sure it was formatted properly. As a tech guy did the job for me and I cannot contact him. (I moved out of the country) Can I check what I need to check via Drive Setup?
Hope I am clear.
Thanx again guys.
acsiG
acsigirl - Mar 14, 2006 - 3:02 am
Actually I think I didnt explain myself.
So I need to buy an external drive for the back up. One of you suggested that it could be safer to install OSX on such device. I have read somewhere that one cannot reboot from an USB, but need firewire connection.
Is that so?
I am not familiar with firewire I know that if if it is not the right version it gives problems. I did manage to connect videocam if this is any help. I found 3 items on my Mac
1) Firewire Support Mac OS CPU Software Z-45 Version 2.8.6
2) FireWire Enabler Mac OS CPU Software Z-45 Version 2.8.6
3) FireWire Authoring Support 1.1.9. Version 1.12
To recap, shall I get USB external HD for back up and instal OSX on the HD
or
should I buy a firwire (which may prove harder where I live) and install OSX on it
I did say I am out of touch!
Thanks so much for reading so far
acsiG_
So I need to buy an external drive for the back up. One of you suggested that it could be safer to install OSX on such device. I have read somewhere that one cannot reboot from an USB, but need firewire connection.
Is that so?
I am not familiar with firewire I know that if if it is not the right version it gives problems. I did manage to connect videocam if this is any help. I found 3 items on my Mac
1) Firewire Support Mac OS CPU Software Z-45 Version 2.8.6
2) FireWire Enabler Mac OS CPU Software Z-45 Version 2.8.6
3) FireWire Authoring Support 1.1.9. Version 1.12
To recap, shall I get USB external HD for back up and instal OSX on the HD
or
should I buy a firwire (which may prove harder where I live) and install OSX on it
I did say I am out of touch!
Thanks so much for reading so far
acsiG_
skapp - Mar 14, 2006 - 9:24 am
You should not rename the OS 9 folders. The operating system expects to find certain folders having specific names, so it's not a good idea to change them.
You will have a problem using an external optical drive because 10.2 will not going to boot from an external drive (I'm not even sure that 10.3 will either.) In any event you cannot boot OS X from a USB drive, it must be a Firewire drive. Not all external optical drives are bootable, and it's difficult to know which ones will work and which ones will not work. This is mainly because external drive manufacturers don't provide good information on the drive mechanism they use. If you buy an external Firewire optical drive be sure to specifically ask if the drive is certified as bootable for OS X.
You can find out the drive format by running Drive Setup. It should tell you how the drive is currently formatted. If it does not, then when you get OS X you can boot from the OS X Installer and use Disk Utility to determine how the drive is formatted. I would also recommend using Disk First Aid to repair your hard drive before trying to install OS X.
The Firewire problems you have heard about relate primarily to FW800 devices. Depending upon which specific Mac you have, it may not even have FW800 ports, only FW400. For safety I'd stick with FW400 devices - less problems.
You have little choice but to use Firewire for external drives because you cannot boot the computer in OS X with a USB device.
You will have a problem using an external optical drive because 10.2 will not going to boot from an external drive (I'm not even sure that 10.3 will either.) In any event you cannot boot OS X from a USB drive, it must be a Firewire drive. Not all external optical drives are bootable, and it's difficult to know which ones will work and which ones will not work. This is mainly because external drive manufacturers don't provide good information on the drive mechanism they use. If you buy an external Firewire optical drive be sure to specifically ask if the drive is certified as bootable for OS X.
You can find out the drive format by running Drive Setup. It should tell you how the drive is currently formatted. If it does not, then when you get OS X you can boot from the OS X Installer and use Disk Utility to determine how the drive is formatted. I would also recommend using Disk First Aid to repair your hard drive before trying to install OS X.
The Firewire problems you have heard about relate primarily to FW800 devices. Depending upon which specific Mac you have, it may not even have FW800 ports, only FW400. For safety I'd stick with FW400 devices - less problems.
You have little choice but to use Firewire for external drives because you cannot boot the computer in OS X with a USB device.
acsigirl - Mar 14, 2006 - 11:26 am
I was thinking to get this
LaCie d2 Hard Drive Extreme with Triple Interface*160GB
I cannot find out if it is bootable or not does anyone know?
I also want to say that I had never had such comprehensive response on any forums ever!
Thank you so much I will be a regular I guess.
I didn't work for long time cause new born baby. I used to know my stuff well but I need to get up to date.
Thanx again and keep up the good work.
acsiG_
LaCie d2 Hard Drive Extreme with Triple Interface*160GB
I cannot find out if it is bootable or not does anyone know?
I also want to say that I had never had such comprehensive response on any forums ever!
Thank you so much I will be a regular I guess.
I didn't work for long time cause new born baby. I used to know my stuff well but I need to get up to date.
Thanx again and keep up the good work.
acsiG_
skapp - Mar 14, 2006 - 11:31 am
Yes, the LaCie drive should be OK. The manufacturer is a strong supporter of Macs and provide excellent tech support when needed. It wouldn't hurt to ask them first before you actually make the purchase.
acsigirl - Mar 15, 2006 - 4:01 pm
Just to add to the story I am now the proud owner of a brand new lacie (bootable btw) triple interface but ofcourse I stick to 400firewire. Wow...its fast. Did some Premiere work and it seems faster than my HD which got to be defrag.
But at least now I can do 2 thhings. First of all buckup my stuff (badly overdue) and install 0X and Flash 8 on the LaCie.
And here the new problem. For wich I guess I should open a new thread. I will write the question here and copy to a new thread. Sorry but I still dont know how to ''play'' the forum.
Ok...
All of the sudden I cannot mount any DVD or CD on my superdrive.
I have had on n off problems for a while.
Before giving in and buying a new superdrive what test can I do?
I do have Toast and Apple Burn on this Mac.
The Drive is a Pinoeer.
Thanx!
acsiG_
But at least now I can do 2 thhings. First of all buckup my stuff (badly overdue) and install 0X and Flash 8 on the LaCie.
And here the new problem. For wich I guess I should open a new thread. I will write the question here and copy to a new thread. Sorry but I still dont know how to ''play'' the forum.
Ok...
All of the sudden I cannot mount any DVD or CD on my superdrive.
I have had on n off problems for a while.
Before giving in and buying a new superdrive what test can I do?
I do have Toast and Apple Burn on this Mac.
The Drive is a Pinoeer.
Thanx!
acsiG_
skapp - Mar 15, 2006 - 4:10 pm
What operating system are you using when you cannot mount CDs or DVDs? You say you've had the problem before, but don't mention which OS was in use. What are the "on and off" problems you've had, and which OS was in use at the time? It would help to provide as much detail as possible including complete information on your Mac model, configuration, etc.
acsigirl - Mar 16, 2006 - 5:14 am
I posted a new thread in HD and Perifericals. I thought it should go there.
ANyway this are more info
G4, 933Mhz, 768Mb Ram, System 9.2.2
Internal ATA 2 HD ID=0 120GB
Internal ATA 0 ID = 0 DVD-R/CD-RW
Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-103 (apple Disc Burning Supported)
Driver Version 1.4.8
For On and Off I just meant that it would work someting but not always without me doing much. Lately I did try if there was an extention conflict so I delabled Toast, Aplle CD driver, Burn, alternatively but with no luck.
I just noticed that the HD and the CD share the same ID 0. Is that supposed to be this way? I admit that didnt think about device ID since the old days of scsi daisy chain where you had to make sure the ID was different and so...
Over...
AcsiG_
ANyway this are more info
G4, 933Mhz, 768Mb Ram, System 9.2.2
Internal ATA 2 HD ID=0 120GB
Internal ATA 0 ID = 0 DVD-R/CD-RW
Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-103 (apple Disc Burning Supported)
Driver Version 1.4.8
For On and Off I just meant that it would work someting but not always without me doing much. Lately I did try if there was an extention conflict so I delabled Toast, Aplle CD driver, Burn, alternatively but with no luck.
I just noticed that the HD and the CD share the same ID 0. Is that supposed to be this way? I admit that didnt think about device ID since the old days of scsi daisy chain where you had to make sure the ID was different and so...
Over...
AcsiG_
skapp - Mar 16, 2006 - 8:37 am
The hard drive and optical drive are on different buses, so the IDs are the same. That's normal.
Perhaps you'll find some answers from your new post.
Perhaps you'll find some answers from your new post.
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