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popcornjuice - May 1, 2005 - 6:33 pm
ok, i just bought a western digital 320 gb hardd drive & plan to have it installed into my g4 imac. the old 60gb hard drive i plan to install into an external 3.5 enclosure. when i get the time i want to move all of my old programs & files over to the new hard drive. my question is, once i move all the files over to the new internal HD, can i just wipe out the old 60gb HD & just re-install/clean install tiger & 9.2.2 with no problems?? i will not have 9.2.2 on my 320gb internal HD, just the old external.
i just hate to have all that extra stuff i do not need on the old HD. should i be worried about all the serial numbers to my registered programs like maya, photoshop, etc?????
thanks!
i just hate to have all that extra stuff i do not need on the old HD. should i be worried about all the serial numbers to my registered programs like maya, photoshop, etc?????
thanks!
vinko - May 1, 2005 - 10:04 pm
Dear Adam,
My name is Vinko and I will attempt to answer your question.
Please allow me to understand your question:
1. You want to clone the content of your 60GB HD on your 320GB HD.
2. You want to install Mac OS 10.4 and Mac OS 9.2.2 on your 320GB.
3. You want to clear out your 60GB HD
Please note that the newer OS X will not allow you the option to install OS 9, hence, to keep your OS 9 system in your 320GB HD you will want to do an archive and install of OS 10.4 on your 320GB HD after you had copied the entire content of your 60GB HD over to the 320GB HD.
If I have misunderstood your question please help me clarify.
I hope this helps.
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My name is Vinko and I will attempt to answer your question.
Please allow me to understand your question:
1. You want to clone the content of your 60GB HD on your 320GB HD.
2. You want to install Mac OS 10.4 and Mac OS 9.2.2 on your 320GB.
3. You want to clear out your 60GB HD
Please note that the newer OS X will not allow you the option to install OS 9, hence, to keep your OS 9 system in your 320GB HD you will want to do an archive and install of OS 10.4 on your 320GB HD after you had copied the entire content of your 60GB HD over to the 320GB HD.
If I have misunderstood your question please help me clarify.
I hope this helps.
-- Vinko
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popcornjuice - May 2, 2005 - 12:05 am
sorry, i know it is confusing. right now i have tiger on my current system that is 60gb, which before had jaguar & 9.2.2 (let us call that HD A) this one has EVERYTHING on it, but i have backed up my software & files on dvd-rw & another small portable drive. i just bought a WD 320gb (we can call this one HD B)
what i want to do, is have the 320 (B) installed into my computer & my old drive (A) put into an external enclosure.
after i have both installed, i want to get all my important files & programs onto the new computer 320gb hard drive (B) & completely wipe clean the old 60gb (A) in the external enclosure.
i was curious if i could just use HD(A) as a storage drive & either clean install it with tiger or jaguar & still keep 9.2.2 on it.
it was the new computer 320gb drive (B) that i only wanted to have tiger on. one of the installers told me it might be best to keep jaguar & 9 on my old (A) & just run tiger on the new internal (B). however i have already installed tiger. . .so am i in a hole?
again, i am sorry for all the confusion. i will do all that i can to help clarify my problem.
what i want to do, is have the 320 (B) installed into my computer & my old drive (A) put into an external enclosure.
after i have both installed, i want to get all my important files & programs onto the new computer 320gb hard drive (B) & completely wipe clean the old 60gb (A) in the external enclosure.
i was curious if i could just use HD(A) as a storage drive & either clean install it with tiger or jaguar & still keep 9.2.2 on it.
it was the new computer 320gb drive (B) that i only wanted to have tiger on. one of the installers told me it might be best to keep jaguar & 9 on my old (A) & just run tiger on the new internal (B). however i have already installed tiger. . .so am i in a hole?
again, i am sorry for all the confusion. i will do all that i can to help clarify my problem.
vinko - May 2, 2005 - 12:24 am
Dear Adam,
Thank you for your clarification.
I have a better understanding of your issues now.
Yes, the other person was correct, you should have left Jaguar and OS 9.2.2 on your HD A.
It doesn't matter now, there is really no point to keep the Tiger on your HD A, after you have HD B up and running and you are satisfied that all your applications are working properly.
Before you delete anything from HD A, you may want to do the following:
1. Ensuring that you are booting off HD B
2. After your Mac is started up, go to the Classic Preferences
3. Choose the Mac OS 9.2.2 folder on your HD A as the "system folder for Classic"
4. Click on Start to ensure your Classic environment is up and running.
To reclaim some of the spaces on HD A, you can manually delete the everything except for the following folders:
"MacOS 9.2.2"
"Applications (Mac OS 9)" (you may or may not have this folder).
PS: one other point I want to clarify, do you also want to boot your Mac off Mac OS 9.2.2?
I hope this helps.
-- Vinko
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Thank you for your clarification.
I have a better understanding of your issues now.
Yes, the other person was correct, you should have left Jaguar and OS 9.2.2 on your HD A.
It doesn't matter now, there is really no point to keep the Tiger on your HD A, after you have HD B up and running and you are satisfied that all your applications are working properly.
Before you delete anything from HD A, you may want to do the following:
1. Ensuring that you are booting off HD B
2. After your Mac is started up, go to the Classic Preferences
3. Choose the Mac OS 9.2.2 folder on your HD A as the "system folder for Classic"
4. Click on Start to ensure your Classic environment is up and running.
To reclaim some of the spaces on HD A, you can manually delete the everything except for the following folders:
"MacOS 9.2.2"
"Applications (Mac OS 9)" (you may or may not have this folder).
PS: one other point I want to clarify, do you also want to boot your Mac off Mac OS 9.2.2?
I hope this helps.
-- Vinko
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popcornjuice - May 2, 2005 - 12:51 pm
ok:
i am not sure if i understand completely where you say "there is really no point to keep the Tiger on your HD A". are you saying there is a way to delete tiger from HD A??
honestly, i will draw it out on how i would "like" to have it set up & i value your suggestions:
HD B 320gb (new) internal = running tiger 10.4
HD A 60gb (old, installed into enclosure)external running 9.2.2 & __________(whatever i can use 10.2 or 10.4)
all i want to use the external HD A for is storage & for booting up classic & 9 for my programs that are only for 9.
if i am understanding, i am not to wipe out A, just clean out all the files that i have already moved & clean out all the extra un-needed stuff.
thank you so much for your help on this.
i am not sure if i understand completely where you say "there is really no point to keep the Tiger on your HD A". are you saying there is a way to delete tiger from HD A??
honestly, i will draw it out on how i would "like" to have it set up & i value your suggestions:
HD B 320gb (new) internal = running tiger 10.4
HD A 60gb (old, installed into enclosure)external running 9.2.2 & __________(whatever i can use 10.2 or 10.4)
all i want to use the external HD A for is storage & for booting up classic & 9 for my programs that are only for 9.
if i am understanding, i am not to wipe out A, just clean out all the files that i have already moved & clean out all the extra un-needed stuff.
thank you so much for your help on this.
vinko - May 2, 2005 - 1:14 pm
Dear Adam,
Thank you for your reply.
Sorry if I was not clear.
As mentioned before in my previous email, while ensuring that you are booting off your HD B, you should set your "system folder for Classic" in your Classic Preference.
After which you can delete everything EXCEPT for the following folders:
"MacOS 9.2.2"
"Applications (Mac OS 9)" (you may or may not have this folder).
I hope this helps.
-- Vinko
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Thank you for your reply.
Sorry if I was not clear.
As mentioned before in my previous email, while ensuring that you are booting off your HD B, you should set your "system folder for Classic" in your Classic Preference.
After which you can delete everything EXCEPT for the following folders:
"MacOS 9.2.2"
"Applications (Mac OS 9)" (you may or may not have this folder).
I hope this helps.
-- Vinko
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popcornjuice - May 2, 2005 - 2:19 pm
alright, i think i get it. i just want to make sure of a few things. i have my system prefs open now. there is a classic icon on the "system" row. where is states "select a system folder for classic" i just need to find the folder, correct?
however, i need to inquire:
do i keep the 9 system folder on the old HD A or bring it onto the new HD B? i assumed i leave it where it was & select it in the system pref window from the new HD B.
which brings me to ask, will there be a "classic" icon in the system row (in system prefs)when i have tiger put on the new HD B?
& last, you said do NOT delete the app9 folder on HD A. so what am i to do with the rest of the osx files. . leave them or delete them all?
i am sorry if i sound like i am going in circles, i just do not want to delete something i need to have both HD to work properly. you are being most helpful.
however, i need to inquire:
do i keep the 9 system folder on the old HD A or bring it onto the new HD B? i assumed i leave it where it was & select it in the system pref window from the new HD B.
which brings me to ask, will there be a "classic" icon in the system row (in system prefs)when i have tiger put on the new HD B?
& last, you said do NOT delete the app9 folder on HD A. so what am i to do with the rest of the osx files. . leave them or delete them all?
i am sorry if i sound like i am going in circles, i just do not want to delete something i need to have both HD to work properly. you are being most helpful.
vinko - May 2, 2005 - 2:33 pm
Dear Adam,
Thank you for your reply.
Hold on a second here. I thought you said you had copied everything from HD A to HD B, and that you had now booted up your Mac with HD B.
If the above is not correct please reply, because I am now confused.
Where you have your OS 9 System folder is up to you. You can leave it on your HD A or you can copy it to HD B. But in your original post you said ".... I will not have 9.2.2 on my 320gb internal HD...". So I am confused as to why you now ask whether you should move your OS 9 System folder to HD B.
I am also confused by your statement, "when i have tiger put on the new HD B". Aren't you booting off HD B right now and running OS 10.4? You had mentioned in your original post, "... i move all the files over to the new internal HD...". So you have your OS 10.4 on your HD B also right?
-- Vinko
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Thank you for your reply.
Hold on a second here. I thought you said you had copied everything from HD A to HD B, and that you had now booted up your Mac with HD B.
If the above is not correct please reply, because I am now confused.
Where you have your OS 9 System folder is up to you. You can leave it on your HD A or you can copy it to HD B. But in your original post you said ".... I will not have 9.2.2 on my 320gb internal HD...". So I am confused as to why you now ask whether you should move your OS 9 System folder to HD B.
I am also confused by your statement, "when i have tiger put on the new HD B". Aren't you booting off HD B right now and running OS 10.4? You had mentioned in your original post, "... i move all the files over to the new internal HD...". So you have your OS 10.4 on your HD B also right?
-- Vinko
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popcornjuice - May 2, 2005 - 3:26 pm
sorry:
1> i have everything (files & programs) copied onto dvd-rw & a portable drive.
2>i have not installed the 320gb HD B or taken out my 60gb HD A for the enclosure yet.
3>i thought i was going to be booting 9 & classic (only when needed) off of HD A when it is installed into the external enclosure.
4>it was to my understanding i could not install 9 when i install tiger onto the new HD B, so that is why i assumed to leave it on the old HD A.
1> i have everything (files & programs) copied onto dvd-rw & a portable drive.
2>i have not installed the 320gb HD B or taken out my 60gb HD A for the enclosure yet.
3>i thought i was going to be booting 9 & classic (only when needed) off of HD A when it is installed into the external enclosure.
4>it was to my understanding i could not install 9 when i install tiger onto the new HD B, so that is why i assumed to leave it on the old HD A.
vinko - May 2, 2005 - 11:42 pm
Dear Adam,
Thank you for your reply. I now understand much better.
Okay... what you should do is hook up your HD B (320GB) in the external enclosure you are going to use for your HD A (60GB).
Now with your Mac booted up with HD A, you format HD B using Disk Utility (found at the following path: /Applications/Utilities/). NOTE: be sure to choose "Install OS 9 Disk Driver" when formating/erasing your HD B.
What you want to do is duplicate everything that you had on your HD A onto HD B. The best application to allow you to do this is "Carbon Copy" It will "clone" everything you had on your HD A onto HD B.
Now rename HD B so that it is different from that of HD A. To do so all you have to do is click on the name of the HD B volume from Finder.
After everything have been cloned and HD B had been renamed, you will want to go to the Startup Disk Preference and select the OS X folder on HD B as your startup disk.
Restart your Mac, you will find that your Mac is now booted off HD B.
Now, before installing your HD B into your Mac internal casing and have it becomes your boot up drive you will need to change the jumper setting on the drive so that it is identified as the "Master Drive".
Your HD B manual should have come with some instructions as to how to do that.
Alternatively, there is a diagram on Western Digital's web site, but since I do not know the model of your hard drive I am not sure whether this is the correct diagram. You can do some more searches on Western Digital's web site for that.
You will also have to do something similar for the internal HD (HD A) that you had in your Mac, but this time you will want to change it to a "Slave" drive.
First you will need to go to System Profiler (found at the following path: /Applications/Utilities/) to determine the manufacture and model of your HD A.
From within System Profiler, expand the Hardware group then click on the "ATA" item. On one of the ATA Bus you will see your HD A drive.
Now go to the manufacture's web site and see if you can find similar diagram for changing the jumpers so that your HD A becomes a "Slave" drive.
After the above are done, you are now ready to install HD A into your external casing and the HD B into your Mac.
If everything is done correctly, your Mac should boot up with HD B.
After you are certain that both Tiger, Classic and OS 9.2.2 are working properly, you are free to reformat HD A.
Please note that there's no need to have any OS on HD A and you are correct OS 10.4 will not allow you to install OS 9 System Folder, but since you had already done so on your HD A prior to installing OS 10.4 it will be okay.
I hope this helps.
-- Vinko
Thank you for choosing macosx.com
Thank you for your reply. I now understand much better.
Okay... what you should do is hook up your HD B (320GB) in the external enclosure you are going to use for your HD A (60GB).
Now with your Mac booted up with HD A, you format HD B using Disk Utility (found at the following path: /Applications/Utilities/). NOTE: be sure to choose "Install OS 9 Disk Driver" when formating/erasing your HD B.
What you want to do is duplicate everything that you had on your HD A onto HD B. The best application to allow you to do this is "Carbon Copy" It will "clone" everything you had on your HD A onto HD B.
Now rename HD B so that it is different from that of HD A. To do so all you have to do is click on the name of the HD B volume from Finder.
After everything have been cloned and HD B had been renamed, you will want to go to the Startup Disk Preference and select the OS X folder on HD B as your startup disk.
Restart your Mac, you will find that your Mac is now booted off HD B.
Now, before installing your HD B into your Mac internal casing and have it becomes your boot up drive you will need to change the jumper setting on the drive so that it is identified as the "Master Drive".
Your HD B manual should have come with some instructions as to how to do that.
Alternatively, there is a diagram on Western Digital's web site, but since I do not know the model of your hard drive I am not sure whether this is the correct diagram. You can do some more searches on Western Digital's web site for that.
You will also have to do something similar for the internal HD (HD A) that you had in your Mac, but this time you will want to change it to a "Slave" drive.
First you will need to go to System Profiler (found at the following path: /Applications/Utilities/) to determine the manufacture and model of your HD A.
From within System Profiler, expand the Hardware group then click on the "ATA" item. On one of the ATA Bus you will see your HD A drive.
Now go to the manufacture's web site and see if you can find similar diagram for changing the jumpers so that your HD A becomes a "Slave" drive.
After the above are done, you are now ready to install HD A into your external casing and the HD B into your Mac.
If everything is done correctly, your Mac should boot up with HD B.
After you are certain that both Tiger, Classic and OS 9.2.2 are working properly, you are free to reformat HD A.
Please note that there's no need to have any OS on HD A and you are correct OS 10.4 will not allow you to install OS 9 System Folder, but since you had already done so on your HD A prior to installing OS 10.4 it will be okay.
I hope this helps.
-- Vinko
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