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RobinS - Dec 1, 2005 - 10:41 am
Would you trust banking info there? And is there any way of making it more secure or less accessible to prying eyes - not in the home but outside to hackers?
philippe99 - Dec 1, 2005 - 11:01 am
Robin, welcome to macosx.com
A good article on the OSX security with a chapter dedicated to Keychain
http://asumac.asu.edu/documents/OSXSecurity.pdf
Keychain is not more or less secure than any "https" site page where you give your credit card for booking a fly or bying a DVD
Neither is FileVault
The most secure way is to never accept that the computer remember your login/password and retype all the information at each access !
In my case, for bying on the Web through my bank PC banking system, for each action, the Web interface prompts me a 8 digit code I have to entered in a small machine which answers me with a second number I have to put back on the interface before applying the order.
A quite long procedure, but very secure, because the code the interface prompts change at each transaction and, if I do not answer rapidly, is refreshed every 30 seconds. This optional system costs me 10 $ a year
You can alos use PGP programs for crypting confidential info
Outside, never enabled the "do you want the computer reminds your password" button.
Regards
Philippe
A good article on the OSX security with a chapter dedicated to Keychain
http://asumac.asu.edu/documents/OSXSecurity.pdf
Keychain is not more or less secure than any "https" site page where you give your credit card for booking a fly or bying a DVD
Neither is FileVault
The most secure way is to never accept that the computer remember your login/password and retype all the information at each access !
In my case, for bying on the Web through my bank PC banking system, for each action, the Web interface prompts me a 8 digit code I have to entered in a small machine which answers me with a second number I have to put back on the interface before applying the order.
A quite long procedure, but very secure, because the code the interface prompts change at each transaction and, if I do not answer rapidly, is refreshed every 30 seconds. This optional system costs me 10 $ a year
You can alos use PGP programs for crypting confidential info
Outside, never enabled the "do you want the computer reminds your password" button.
Regards
Philippe
RobinS - Dec 1, 2005 - 12:04 pm
Well that was a dissappointing but accurate answer. Hey, not all answers are what we want to hear......
Wow - what an article - that was thorough! I bet Apple would NEVER right an article like that. That should be required reading. Thanks a bunch.
Wow - what an article - that was thorough! I bet Apple would NEVER right an article like that. That should be required reading. Thanks a bunch.
philippe99 - Dec 1, 2005 - 12:24 pm
You know, about security, either on Mac or Windows, there is no miracle: a good hacker can enter what he wants.
And giving your credit card in a restaurant to pay a meal is very unsecure compared to bying a gift on the Web !
But, do not worry: Keychain is a very sure system for storing password and can be used on a daily base.
On site where one buys things, like Amazon, your credit card is crypted in their servers (is this more secure ?): the sole fact to access your basket with your password enables the credit card for bying: esay but dangerous. That's why, I change such password every two months.
Thank you for using macosx.com
Regards
Philippe
And giving your credit card in a restaurant to pay a meal is very unsecure compared to bying a gift on the Web !
But, do not worry: Keychain is a very sure system for storing password and can be used on a daily base.
On site where one buys things, like Amazon, your credit card is crypted in their servers (is this more secure ?): the sole fact to access your basket with your password enables the credit card for bying: esay but dangerous. That's why, I change such password every two months.
Thank you for using macosx.com
Regards
Philippe
RobinS - Dec 1, 2005 - 12:28 pm
You've been great.
So how does this site make money? Just from advertising and tshirts?
So how does this site make money? Just from advertising and tshirts?
philippe99 - Dec 1, 2005 - 12:37 pm
Yes, advertising/tshirts and Email services.
We're all volunteers, coming from many countries (I'm from Belgium, French speaking state); we spend some of our free time for helping others: you know, more interesting to my eyes to help someone than watching Lost !
In my case, I'm a software engineer and I work in an helpdesk: with all my family members as teachers, helping/teaching people is my second nature ;-)
Philippe
We're all volunteers, coming from many countries (I'm from Belgium, French speaking state); we spend some of our free time for helping others: you know, more interesting to my eyes to help someone than watching Lost !
In my case, I'm a software engineer and I work in an helpdesk: with all my family members as teachers, helping/teaching people is my second nature ;-)
Philippe
RobinS - Dec 1, 2005 - 11:06 pm
That was eerie---I was just watching 5 episodes of Lost........And I almost never watch TV - don't even own one - was watching it on my computer.....or did I mention it in another post?
philippe99 - Dec 2, 2005 - 2:46 am
You know, I'm a fan of Friends or The Nanny.
After such a concentrated humour level, I face great difficulties to focus my attention on Lost or Desperate Housewives.
Moreover, here in Belgium it is impossible to watch them in their original english language..or to buy satellite access...and French actors they chose for dubbling voices..oh, my god !
;-)
Phil
After such a concentrated humour level, I face great difficulties to focus my attention on Lost or Desperate Housewives.
Moreover, here in Belgium it is impossible to watch them in their original english language..or to buy satellite access...and French actors they chose for dubbling voices..oh, my god !
;-)
Phil
RobinS - Dec 2, 2005 - 10:29 am
I'm curious - what percentage of TV viewers over there are watching American tv mostly? I would think that with all the people, and such a high standard of living (expensive) there would be lots of programming in each country's native language.
(And the less I watch TV programs, the better I usualy am!)
(And the less I watch TV programs, the better I usualy am!)
philippe99 - Dec 2, 2005 - 2:47 pm
In Europe, in the French culture area -France,Belgium,Luxembourg-, we had a great culture of TV documentaries -wild life, politic shows,..-; great intellectual stuffs... which do not longer match youngs' requirements.
So, to avoid to disappear, TV channels massivly import American/Asian "fast food" TV movies/shows/cartoons/musics; they roughly translated them (not for music channels) and drop them in front of our youth.
By the laws, TV companies are obliged to produce an amount of cultural movies, but as does French TF1, they show them at midnight.
And yes, 10 years after the States, we have now in Europe two kind of people: the ones which watch news, cultural movies, politic shows or great documentaries...and the ones which watch MCM !
The first, implied in the economic/politic life of their country make/help to make laws to control the second ones.
"panem and circenses" (bread and games) said the Romans: they knew how to manipulate people
> And the less I watch TV programs, the better I usualy am!
That's also my leitmotiv and I'm enough old (45) to face someone saying "You do not watch the new Madonna clip ?"
But for my 14 years old daughter, in the school yard, it is sometimes difficult to say that she prefers to read a good book that watching TV !
Phil
So, to avoid to disappear, TV channels massivly import American/Asian "fast food" TV movies/shows/cartoons/musics; they roughly translated them (not for music channels) and drop them in front of our youth.
By the laws, TV companies are obliged to produce an amount of cultural movies, but as does French TF1, they show them at midnight.
And yes, 10 years after the States, we have now in Europe two kind of people: the ones which watch news, cultural movies, politic shows or great documentaries...and the ones which watch MCM !
The first, implied in the economic/politic life of their country make/help to make laws to control the second ones.
"panem and circenses" (bread and games) said the Romans: they knew how to manipulate people
> And the less I watch TV programs, the better I usualy am!
That's also my leitmotiv and I'm enough old (45) to face someone saying "You do not watch the new Madonna clip ?"
But for my 14 years old daughter, in the school yard, it is sometimes difficult to say that she prefers to read a good book that watching TV !
Phil
RobinS - Dec 5, 2005 - 12:27 am
Yes - people are the same all over the world. We usually like to do the easiest thing, the easist way as quickly as possible. And then arrive nowhere.......
Somebody said...."If something is worth doing, its worth doing slowly." The older I get, the more I like that.
Somebody said...."If something is worth doing, its worth doing slowly." The older I get, the more I like that.
philippe99 - Dec 5, 2005 - 1:50 am
>The older I get, the more I like that.
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Regards
Philippe
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Thank you for using macosx.com and feel free to come back for any problem you face in your daily use of the mac
Regards
Philippe
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