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gogglespammer - Jun 21, 2005 - 8:27 pm
Not a great subject line I know, but how do I encapsulate these, probably releated, problems into something meaningful?
I have a (work) 17" Powerbook which I use some of the time, not a lot. Primarily I use Linux.
Work decided to upgrade to Tiger; had I been asked I'd have said to leave it for a year, but I'm only the IT bloke.
I upgraded the Panther to a Tiger, disabled the dashboard and backed myself up very slowly) to a USB drive using disk util "restore." Not obvious, but it seemed to work.
Since then, when I boot
Mostly, when it automatically logs me in, I get a blue background and no icons on the bar across the top. Log out, log in and all's fine. The Boss aka The Apple Fanatic said he thought that it's a permisisons problem, so I used chmod -R ~ to make all directories owner-rwx and all files owner-rw and checked everything's owned by me. Seems fine, and if that's the problem why does it work sometimes?
When I reboot it often doesn't, Instead there's a multilingual message saying "You need to restart your computer. Press the power button ..."
When I go in to System Preferences/Accounts, I have a blank window with no ability to create new accounts or do anything except "show all."
When I go into System Preferences/Sharing I find Apple Remote Desktop disabled. I did have it up and running yesterday, but now when I try to start it it says it's shutting down. Presumably there's a file someplace in need of deletion. However, there may be more than that. I've just rebooted, logged off, logged on and gone into Sharing. I clicked the text part of the ARDP entry and it invited me to start it. I clicked the check box and nothing much happened, so I clicked another then clicked the text part again. Now, it says it's shutting down. In addition, clicking "access privileges" does nothing.
I do have some third-party software installed including stuff from mozilla.org (which I'm confident is clean of trojans etc), a Rendezvous & Bonjour browsers (I used the former Panther without problems) and assorted developer tools downloaded from developer.apple.com.
I really do not want to reinstall this; I don't have a clear idea of what extra stuff is installed nor a way to find out. No rpm or dpkg here, nor anything else I can find to list this stuff out.
But for these points I'd cheerfully drop OS X and install Linux:
1. Wireless won't work
2. It's not mine (but that could be got around)
3. I actually need an OS X machine to test stuff on.
I've done some pretty dreadful things to my Linux systems and always been able to fight my way out of trouble. I find it very frustrating that OS X isn't as easily coerced.
I have a (work) 17" Powerbook which I use some of the time, not a lot. Primarily I use Linux.
Work decided to upgrade to Tiger; had I been asked I'd have said to leave it for a year, but I'm only the IT bloke.
I upgraded the Panther to a Tiger, disabled the dashboard and backed myself up very slowly) to a USB drive using disk util "restore." Not obvious, but it seemed to work.
Since then, when I boot
Mostly, when it automatically logs me in, I get a blue background and no icons on the bar across the top. Log out, log in and all's fine. The Boss aka The Apple Fanatic said he thought that it's a permisisons problem, so I used chmod -R ~ to make all directories owner-rwx and all files owner-rw and checked everything's owned by me. Seems fine, and if that's the problem why does it work sometimes?
When I reboot it often doesn't, Instead there's a multilingual message saying "You need to restart your computer. Press the power button ..."
When I go in to System Preferences/Accounts, I have a blank window with no ability to create new accounts or do anything except "show all."
When I go into System Preferences/Sharing I find Apple Remote Desktop disabled. I did have it up and running yesterday, but now when I try to start it it says it's shutting down. Presumably there's a file someplace in need of deletion. However, there may be more than that. I've just rebooted, logged off, logged on and gone into Sharing. I clicked the text part of the ARDP entry and it invited me to start it. I clicked the check box and nothing much happened, so I clicked another then clicked the text part again. Now, it says it's shutting down. In addition, clicking "access privileges" does nothing.
I do have some third-party software installed including stuff from mozilla.org (which I'm confident is clean of trojans etc), a Rendezvous & Bonjour browsers (I used the former Panther without problems) and assorted developer tools downloaded from developer.apple.com.
I really do not want to reinstall this; I don't have a clear idea of what extra stuff is installed nor a way to find out. No rpm or dpkg here, nor anything else I can find to list this stuff out.
But for these points I'd cheerfully drop OS X and install Linux:
1. Wireless won't work
2. It's not mine (but that could be got around)
3. I actually need an OS X machine to test stuff on.
I've done some pretty dreadful things to my Linux systems and always been able to fight my way out of trouble. I find it very frustrating that OS X isn't as easily coerced.
Cheryl - Jun 21, 2005 - 8:49 pm
John,
My name is Cheryl and I will be assisting you. When you get the 'you need to restart' message is there a black circle with a line across it? What devices do you have connected to the computer when you get this message?
When you installed Tiger - did you select upgrade, archive or clean install? This is important as there are some machines act strange after an upgrade install. There is no pattern to this problem, so it is hard to know until after the fact.
If you did an upgrade, you will need to do another install, this time using the Archive and Preserve method. This will not touch the Applications folder or the Home folder. You will need to do a fresh install of Stuffit Expander, anti virus program and any other enhancer programs.
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Let me know if you need further assistance and thank you for using MacOSX.com !
Cheryl
My name is Cheryl and I will be assisting you. When you get the 'you need to restart' message is there a black circle with a line across it? What devices do you have connected to the computer when you get this message?
When you installed Tiger - did you select upgrade, archive or clean install? This is important as there are some machines act strange after an upgrade install. There is no pattern to this problem, so it is hard to know until after the fact.
If you did an upgrade, you will need to do another install, this time using the Archive and Preserve method. This will not touch the Applications folder or the Home folder. You will need to do a fresh install of Stuffit Expander, anti virus program and any other enhancer programs.
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Let me know if you need further assistance and thank you for using MacOSX.com !
Cheryl
gogglespammer - Jun 21, 2005 - 9:04 pm
Hi Cheryl
Um. Most likely an upgrade. I don't have good backup devices, and the "archive" sounds like it wants something. When I did do a backup, I used a USB disk I'd been using for Linux, and I had to "archive" its contents so I could redeploy it.
I'll grab the DVD and give it a go; it could be a few days.
Thanks for your time.
Um. Most likely an upgrade. I don't have good backup devices, and the "archive" sounds like it wants something. When I did do a backup, I used a USB disk I'd been using for Linux, and I had to "archive" its contents so I could redeploy it.
I'll grab the DVD and give it a go; it could be a few days.
Thanks for your time.
Cheryl - Jun 21, 2005 - 9:33 pm
John,
You should have a back up of your important documents. But, an Archive and preserve does not touch your applications/programs and your home folder that holds your documents.
After the archive and preserve install, go to the Applications>Utilities folder and start up Disk Utility. Click on the second icon at the top left, then click on Repair Permissions. Repair Disk will be grayed out.
Once that is done, go to System Preferences>Software Update and install the 10.4.1 update as well as the security updates. Run Disk Utility to repair permissions after that restart.
You should be back in business.
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Let me know if you need further assistance and thank you for using MacOSX.com !
Cheryl
You should have a back up of your important documents. But, an Archive and preserve does not touch your applications/programs and your home folder that holds your documents.
After the archive and preserve install, go to the Applications>Utilities folder and start up Disk Utility. Click on the second icon at the top left, then click on Repair Permissions. Repair Disk will be grayed out.
Once that is done, go to System Preferences>Software Update and install the 10.4.1 update as well as the security updates. Run Disk Utility to repair permissions after that restart.
You should be back in business.
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Let me know if you need further assistance and thank you for using MacOSX.com !
Cheryl
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