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RobinS - Jul 3, 2006 - 3:01 pm

I like using the absolute maximum screen space all the time - and was wondering in iPhoto 06 if it was possible to get rid of the useless toolbar at the bottom? (The one with Rotate, Constrain, Crop, Enhance, Red-Eye, Retouch, Size, Effects, Adjust.) I would think that there would be keyboard shortcuts to those. Are there?

Also when I load a few photos into iPhoto I get thumbnails across the top. That's fine. When I want to see the picture in detail I double click and it opens at about 70% of the full screen size. Why? Why open part way? This is more of Apple's mysterious fascination with pointless, windows scattered around in disarray, none showing maximum detail. So I drag it to full screen (of course it isn't positioned at the upper left hand corner so first I have to drag it there, THEN drag it full screen.....what a stupid waste of time. Then when I close the thing, it doesn't remember. When I hit the green button - same thing. When I click Zoom - same thing. This OS simply could not care less what the user wants.

I do hope I'm wrong and you can point me to a semblance of logic in this diabolical company's latest photo offering. I was told by one of your volunteers that iPhoto offered full screen viewing, So I got the newest version. Even my internet browser does that. Maybe they hadn't even used iPhoto yet. Now I realize its almost full screen, but still - full screen is full screen. And borders don't a Full Screen make. Toolbars (and big fat chunky ones like iPhoto uses) rob screen real estate in the same way. Its so ironic - Apple loves toolbars and other space wasting splatter yet often doesn't care about the font size which is often microscopic.

earthsaver - Jul 3, 2006 - 4:44 pm

Yep, you're wasting your time!, Robin. No need to manually move or resize the iPhoto window when you can just click Full Screen and go. You might have just as easily opened iPhoto Help, searched for and gotten your answer, but I know sometimes asking a new question on macosx.com is faster for you.

You'll see the Full Screen button on the lower toolbar, next to New, Info, Calendar, and Keyword.

- Ben

RobinS - Jul 4, 2006 - 3:41 pm

Yeah you're right - I'm just swimming up a river. Bloody Apple. Waste of time. They will never understand that full screen means no toolbars, no menu bars, no nothing, wasting space. Even in HELP they show a full screen shot with a space wasting toolbar on the bottom and space wasting thumbnails on the top. Maybe Apple thinks we all have 30" screens. Maybe this is their incentive to get us to buy one of those monsters. But even if I had one I still wouldn't waste space. If I buy 30" I want to see 30". Its just the principle.

And just to top off the insanity, Full Screen isn't under VIEW, its on some toolbar, unlike 99.99999% of all software programs on Earth. Who uses toolbars once you know a program? Can people not remember a few keyboard shortcuts? One very strange company. If I worked there boy would things change. It would be such a great experience. Maybe if I just save my pennies I can coax Steve out of a job. All it would take would be perhaps several billion.....Bill?

On a positive note.......just for a laugh I tried the Retouch........amazing! Pimple faced people are now available for modeling! Can you control how much of a radius the Retouch affects? Women must go nuts over that.

earthsaver - Jul 4, 2006 - 3:54 pm

So, did you enjoy using full screen view in iPhoto? Did you see that the toolbars at the top and bottom are not permanent installations?

The truth is, most users I have worked with over the years don't care to take the time to learn a lot of keyboard shortcuts, even if I try to convince them they will save time by using them. Meanwhile, strangely, iPhoto doesn't even have a documented unshown shortcut for full screen.

RobinS - Jul 4, 2006 - 4:19 pm

I've got iPhoto 6. I wonder if we're using the same software version.

I finally found the full screen icon on the bottom. I was using the Green Zoom button before and it was covered. Of course with a keyboard shortcut that wouldn't happen - but hey - its Apple. I bow to the mouse.

But now, (on a positive side) once I'm in Full Screen, it stays there (what a miracle!) and I can use the left/right arrow keys to move around the pictures. The same left/right arrow keys that Adobe Reader uses to move between pages.

And yeah - people can be stubborn. Or they just think I'll learn that really soon and never do.

They say "Don't worry about someone stealing your idea. If its really good, you'll have to ram it down people's throats." Change is not easy.

"Strangely iPhoto doesn't even have a shortcut for full screen" Strange? lol.............not so strange....

earthsaver - Jul 4, 2006 - 4:55 pm

Well, I think it's strange, after reading through all of the shortcuts in iPhoto I've never heard of that are not documented anywhere but in the Help file.

When you were using arrow keys in Adobe Reader, were you finding that up and down were jumping pages or only right and left? The former are what worked for me for line by line scrolling, just like in Preview.

RobinS - Jul 5, 2006 - 7:03 pm

Only right and left. Up and down moves a few lines at a time. Makes sense. I find the mouse better for page up/down if there are a lot of pages. In the future I'll have to make a verbal command. That is the way its got to be for voluminous reading so you can lean back and be free from the desk. To be able to control your font size is a wonderful tool for reading. Combined with the positioning ability of LCD monitors on high quality monitor arms and the sharpness of the resolution....things are looking for the reading crowd.

So thank you once again. iPhoto is going to work out well after all.