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charles1 - Nov 15, 2005 - 7:57 pm
I would love to have a keyboard shortcut for the green button that is sort of a maximize button (but really isn't). Or some keyboard shortcut that really maximizes a window without having to drag the lower right hand corner of the open window to the lower right hand corner of the screen, over and over and over and over...you get the idea. Apparently people at Apple think that if you don't have much data in the window right this second, that means you will NEVER have any more data needing to be displayed in that window for all time. I don't know what brain damaged people Apple employs, or if this is some quirk of Steve Jobs', but it sure amazes me how Apple could not have a simple command for this very needed manipulation of their window system. Hopefully there is something and my rant is for nothing....
In the Windows world its Alt+Spacebar+X. Or if you click that correct button on the taskbar it really maximizes the window no matter the present content. There just has to be some equivalent for OS X.
PS.....if you don't know this answer, PLEASE don't answer....because then it doesn't seem to get looked at by anyone else and goes into this bottomless pit of the 'public forum' where it is often neglected and abandoned for all eternity.
In the Windows world its Alt+Spacebar+X. Or if you click that correct button on the taskbar it really maximizes the window no matter the present content. There just has to be some equivalent for OS X.
PS.....if you don't know this answer, PLEASE don't answer....because then it doesn't seem to get looked at by anyone else and goes into this bottomless pit of the 'public forum' where it is often neglected and abandoned for all eternity.
ishan - Nov 16, 2005 - 5:49 am
Apple has decided not to automatically allow to maximize the window to the full screen size because it feels that most users might need access to the items on the desktop, and covering the entire window makes that more difficult. That's actually not a problem anymore with Expose available to reveal your desktop at the click of a button or keypress. Nevertheless, that's the way it is for now.
Yours is a common complaints, especially from those who come from a Windows world or coexist in both worlds. I agree that the function of the "maximize" button should be user-cutomizable. There is a third party app called Windowshade X (from Unsanity Software) which allows you to change the behavior of the three little buttons on the top left of each window; try it out and see if it will do what you want. For example, I use Windowshade X so that when I click on the middle (minimize) button, it hides the window.
Unsanity is very receptive to user suggestions, so email them about it.
The action of the green button is also somewhat application specific. for some web browsers, e.g., it will maximize the page vertically, if not horizontally.
You have a good point, but I don't think the preprogrammed behavior will change until System 10.5 is out in about a year or so. There's good rationales for doing it the way Windows does it, and the way the Macintosh does it. Give some feedback to Apple about it (you won't be the only one) and maybe they will change the function of the green button, or at least let you customize it to some extent itself.
I'm just curious-why would you want one window covering your whole screen, including your other icons, open apps, etc? If I did that on my 30" screen, it would be a real waste of real estate, not to mention the fact that I would constantly have to hide one window to access another, or use Expose to show all windows. Unlike Windows, multitasking works very well on System X on the Macintosh, and most folks have a lot of programs running simultaneously; many of those programs have windows, and I like to see what the windows show to know what the program's doing. If I cover the whole screen with one window, I can't monitor my other apps/processes as easily. Obviously, if you're using a 15" monitor or a low-resolution laptop (like my 12" PB G4), it makes sense to have one window cover most of the screen. So, like most things, there's good reasons for and against your suggestion, and some of relies of your hardware as well as on your individual preferences. HTH.
Yours is a common complaints, especially from those who come from a Windows world or coexist in both worlds. I agree that the function of the "maximize" button should be user-cutomizable. There is a third party app called Windowshade X (from Unsanity Software) which allows you to change the behavior of the three little buttons on the top left of each window; try it out and see if it will do what you want. For example, I use Windowshade X so that when I click on the middle (minimize) button, it hides the window.
Unsanity is very receptive to user suggestions, so email them about it.
The action of the green button is also somewhat application specific. for some web browsers, e.g., it will maximize the page vertically, if not horizontally.
You have a good point, but I don't think the preprogrammed behavior will change until System 10.5 is out in about a year or so. There's good rationales for doing it the way Windows does it, and the way the Macintosh does it. Give some feedback to Apple about it (you won't be the only one) and maybe they will change the function of the green button, or at least let you customize it to some extent itself.
I'm just curious-why would you want one window covering your whole screen, including your other icons, open apps, etc? If I did that on my 30" screen, it would be a real waste of real estate, not to mention the fact that I would constantly have to hide one window to access another, or use Expose to show all windows. Unlike Windows, multitasking works very well on System X on the Macintosh, and most folks have a lot of programs running simultaneously; many of those programs have windows, and I like to see what the windows show to know what the program's doing. If I cover the whole screen with one window, I can't monitor my other apps/processes as easily. Obviously, if you're using a 15" monitor or a low-resolution laptop (like my 12" PB G4), it makes sense to have one window cover most of the screen. So, like most things, there's good reasons for and against your suggestion, and some of relies of your hardware as well as on your individual preferences. HTH.
charles1 - Nov 16, 2005 - 2:52 pm
I said Maximize - not Full Screen (which is when a program blocks out all Menu and Tool bars). I use Full Screen only when viewing videos and pictures and very occasionally in Word. I never use the desktop for anything. Just the Finder.
As for Windowshade - I just realized I've already got it. So I'll try that. You mentioning using it for hiding the window. Why does you need to hide a window when you can just put another one on top? Then its hidden, right?
As for the Green Button, I find that if there is lots of information (like a screen full or more) it maximizes the page. But if not, it doesn't. At least I understand that part of now.
>"I'm just curious-why would you want one window covering your whole screen, including your other icons, open apps, etc?"
Like I said in the beginning, I don't. I usually work with a Menu bar - since most stuff is in most programs is in that. Or should be at least. What I would love is to put that Menu bar with the Title bar and colored buttons and thereby have only one line of info on top. But I'm really into space saving screen real estate.
My vision isn't perfect so I have the fonts up quite big. That takes up more room than most people would prefer too. Later (when I move away from the Mac Mini) I'll get a multi monitor setup. That was great before. Especially for tutorials.
As for Windowshade - I just realized I've already got it. So I'll try that. You mentioning using it for hiding the window. Why does you need to hide a window when you can just put another one on top? Then its hidden, right?
As for the Green Button, I find that if there is lots of information (like a screen full or more) it maximizes the page. But if not, it doesn't. At least I understand that part of now.
>"I'm just curious-why would you want one window covering your whole screen, including your other icons, open apps, etc?"
Like I said in the beginning, I don't. I usually work with a Menu bar - since most stuff is in most programs is in that. Or should be at least. What I would love is to put that Menu bar with the Title bar and colored buttons and thereby have only one line of info on top. But I'm really into space saving screen real estate.
My vision isn't perfect so I have the fonts up quite big. That takes up more room than most people would prefer too. Later (when I move away from the Mac Mini) I'll get a multi monitor setup. That was great before. Especially for tutorials.
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