panda - Oct 9, 2005 - 5:00 pm
This has been driving me nuts.
I do hope you can help.
I have an aluminium G4 Powerbook with an 80GB hard drive.
I installed Jaguar 10.2.8 initially with a 15GB partition as a boot disk, and the remainder (60GB, presumably the 5GB taken up by the OS).
My 15GB boot drive only has 2.46GB left, not enough to burn a DVD.
Yet I am only using less than 6GB, so there is at least 9GB missing.
I have run countless cache deleting applications, from memory these include Mac Janitor, Macaroni, Cocktail, OmniDiskSweeper, repaired permissions everywhere, searched for files folders and caches of all visibility, and cannot for the life of me find where all this space has gone.
Please can you help me out before I have to reformat the drive and start from scratch.
Oh - and my keyboard backlight no longer works which is annoying, I loved that feature at night.
Any help would be most gratefully recieved, I really am stumped. I'm not an expert and I'm extremely nervous about using Terminal commands.
It seems to have started when I installed BSD, Nicotine, X11, fink, and all the other stuff in a failed attempt to get Soulseek running.
I followed the steps in this link:
http://captnswing.net/howto/nicotine/
but would prefer to remove the lot now as I don't know if they are harming my machine, and I don't know a thing about Java.
HELP!?!??
Thanks guys - Kieron.
Inverter - Oct 9, 2005 - 5:36 pm
Ok, so first take a deep breath, BSD related stuff, X11 and fink will not harm your machine - beyond taking up some disk space.
I don't know what Nicotine is, but I would expect it to be less harmful than the version you inhale...
Now to find out where the diskspace is going you can use some very easy commands in Terminal, nothing destructive, just that no part of the system is hidden from you (like Finder only shows you half of your files).
Start a Terminal (Applications -> Utilities -> Terminal) and enter the following command (using an administrator account):
du -sckx /*
You will probably get some "permission denied" errors, that you can readily ignore.
This command will give you and estimate of the disk space usage in KiloBytes of every top-level directory on your boot disk.
You can then inspect individual directories, e.g. by issuing
du -sckx /Applications/*
or just send me the output of that first command. If you have a full fink installation in "/sw", then our "du" might already show that "/sw" uses several GigaBytes; in this case the search is over, otherwise we'll have to see...
Ciao, Colin
panda - Oct 10, 2005 - 1:24 pm
Thanks a million for your help on this one Colin, you're a star!
Here's the terminal output from the first command line (du -sckx /*)
Welcome to Darwin!
[Kieron-Brennans-Computer:~] julie% du -sckx /*
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib/classes.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib/data.dependency: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib/info.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib/keyedobjects.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/classes.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/data.dependency: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/info.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/msg.tiff: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/warning.tiff: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/blind.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ie_mc.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ie_mc_search.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ie_pc.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ns_mc.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ns_pc.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/keys.html: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/logo.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/shredder.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_about.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_interface_logo.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_output.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_program_icon.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_readme_composit.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_setup_icon.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_shortcuts.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_start_playback.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_welcome.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files: Permission denied
3029152 /Applications
40 /Desktop DB
280 /Desktop DF
12 /Digidesign Installer Log Files
du: /Library/Application Support/SyncService/501: Permission denied
du: /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration: Permission denied
512112 /Library
9288 /NAVMac800QSFile
1 /Network
808 /Norton FS Data
4 /Norton FS Index
48252 /Norton FS Volume
62436 /Norton FS Volume 2
du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Library: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Music: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/English.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Library: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Music: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/French.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Desktop: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Documents: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Library: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Movies: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Music: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Pictures: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/Italian.lproj/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
du: /System/Library/User Template/Non_localized/Library: Permission denied
1020356 /System
12 /TheVolumeSettingsFolder
du: /Users/kieronbrennan/.Trash: Permission denied
du: /Users/kieronbrennan/Documents: Permission denied
du: /Users/kieronbrennan/Library: Permission denied
du: /Users/kieronbrennan/Movies: Permission denied
du: /Users/kieronbrennan/Music: Permission denied
du: /Users/kieronbrennan/Pictures: Permission denied
du: /Users/kieronbrennan/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
du: /Users/videostation/.Trash: Permission denied
du: /Users/videostation/Library: Permission denied
du: /Users/videostation/Movies: Permission denied
du: /Users/videostation/Music: Permission denied
du: /Users/videostation/Pictures: Permission denied
du: /Users/videostation/Public/Drop Box: Permission denied
7138912 /Users
8 /Volumes
1 /automount
3924 /bin
0 /cores
0 /dev
4 /etc
4 /mach
696 /mach.sym
3660 /mach_kernel
2920 /opt
du: /private/etc/cups/certs: Permission denied
du: /private/tmp/501: Permission denied
du: /private/var/backups: Permission denied
du: /private/var/cron: Permission denied
du: /private/var/db/dhcpclient: Permission denied
du: /private/var/db/netinfo/local.nidb: Permission denied
du: /private/var/db/openldap/openldap-data: Permission denied
du: /private/var/db/openldap/openldap-slurp: Permission denied
du: /private/var/db/samba: Permission denied
du: /private/var/root: Permission denied
du: /private/var/run/sudo: Permission denied
du: /private/var/spool/clientmqueue: Permission denied
du: /private/var/spool/cups: Permission denied
du: /private/var/spool/mqueue: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/101-40485167-31fb9-Ad8V4k: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/101-40697e04-d0a06-k09vjE: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/107-400576ee-7c75e-WvPF6l: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/107-40d1c81d-cbdf8-S2MBw8: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/107-40d1c81e-e4a1a-Vhwts6: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/107-40d68e90-f0ef8-IVqPKN: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/108-40c9961b-5e83d-BT0SG8: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/108-40f5597e-6a5e-4E7aGv: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/109-405c6068-d468b-0Rj06Q: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/109-407e40f2-8bee6-7mFFQF: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/109-40d1bc73-5802a-4jsFVM: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/10a-4013e2e8-90616-S2iZgW: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/10a-40b3bc94-8a123-xekYwm: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/10b-408317da-f2f9c-zwd62g: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/10d-4017682b-7ac7a-SJbmKc: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/10d-40b62ba7-5c32a-tumYpt: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/10e-40233c03-9cc0a-nwiBS9: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/10e-402c6a8b-31fd2-v2If2D: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/110-4034fda5-9c71-AHQLqx: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/110-408ef30b-75b8f-J3ozcJ: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/110-40cdba61-12a65-C4zouD: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/111-40ee5ddb-8f6ee-zdRvJJ: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/112-409707a9-da691-Rgm7JI: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/114-4068ab34-95312-tNtYXJ: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/114-40ba878c-2b0e3-gVzX2f: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/115-40e87c0d-27ac5-eLDB7I: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/117-40424c38-6120b-orwsAV: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/11c-4040b6db-1b1e5-QOlXyw: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/11c-40d9f5d5-4050e-Au5CdT: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/11d-403b4203-adeda-tQgtwF: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/11d-405f0b89-3bc9c-HWvqTw: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/11d-40c90932-c0d53-23bKFq: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/11e-40620386-ee6f4-z4LmHo: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/11f-409779c7-579a-0stJ0f: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/122-40bef2f5-8f5ed-cReI3O: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/126-4061fb2e-5eae-4d9jcT: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/127-404a7710-cad7a-vHOOjN: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/127-40c0fc87-e936d-WSMZ2W: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/128-40105d58-69eba-DzvTUn: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/12b-40de2d52-4622b-Y37lPI: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/12b-40e4848f-d16d1-N1peHv: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/12c-404a6097-6d21a-oen44I: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/12c-4063560b-43683-uMP89P: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/12c-40afeb9d-96f1a-OlZNj2: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/12e-405ebd83-7d896-jldjOU: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/1b6-404105bf-2076-62BeQg: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/e8-4072b4c1-e6cf7-CvKIFb: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/e9-409bebaa-9e417-GjB4jm: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/e90-400dc701-e2bd-UwhTvc: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/f9-408bec88-5a730-gGwj0M: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/f9-40dc3b1b-5afdd-Bl0MWN: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/fc-4005f818-cd8f7-UU3QzQ: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/fd-400e973a-d6bb9-DLpPbL: Permission denied
du: /private/var/tmp/fd-40b50be1-108f5-papJ2W: Permission denied
du: /private/var/vm/app_profile: Permission denied
96452 /private
1972 /sbin
4 /tmp
433804 /usr
4 /var
12365117 total
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And here's the output from the du -sckx /Applications/* command...
113812 /Applications/Adobe After Effects 6.0
212624 /Applications/Adobe Photoshop CS
57644 /Applications/Adobe Reader 6.0
932 /Applications/AppleScript
2996 /Applications/Ask the DJ.app
1188 /Applications/Audio Recorder.app
820 /Applications/Auntie
2456 /Applications/CDCoverTool 1.1.1
372 /Applications/Calculator.app
1136 /Applications/Chess.app
224 /Applications/Clock.app
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib/classes.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib/data.dependency: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib/info.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib/keyedobjects.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Feedback.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/classes.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/data.dependency: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/info.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/msg.tiff: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib/warning.tiff: Permission denied
du: /Applications/Cocktail.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/MainMenu.nib: Permission denied
3736 /Applications/Cocktail.app
2564 /Applications/ColorTheory™ 1.0
58920 /Applications/Cubase SX.app
4624 /Applications/DVD Player.app
19676 /Applications/DVD Studio Pro
752 /Applications/Digidesign
768 /Applications/DivX 5.2.1
408 /Applications/DivX™ Video 5.0 Alpha 3
760 /Applications/Ericsson Client.app
3724 /Applications/ExpressStripe
58948 /Applications/FileMaker Pro 6 Folder
11960 /Applications/Final Cut Express.app
28240 /Applications/Final Cut Pro.app
25928 /Applications/Firefox.app
1192 /Applications/Goldfish Aquarium.app
28828 /Applications/Hewlett-Packard
4 /Applications/Icon
1668 /Applications/Image Capture.app
460 /Applications/Internet Connect.app
13956 /Applications/Internet Explorer.app
14144 /Applications/LimeWire
59540 /Applications/Live 2.0.1 OS X
37500 /Applications/Logic 5 Series
37068 /Applications/Logic 6 Series
7928 /Applications/M-Audio FireWire.app
608 /Applications/MacJanitor.app
3880 /Applications/Mail.app
203788 /Applications/Microsoft Office X
29872 /Applications/Norton Solutions
4 /Applications/Norton SystemWorks.NswX
2992 /Applications/OmniDiskSweeper.app
4796 /Applications/Panther Cache Cleaner.app
36120 /Applications/Peak™ DV 3.0
1616 /Applications/PrefsWriter
1220 /Applications/Preview.app
5464 /Applications/QuickTime Player.app
10696 /Applications/ReCycle
81084 /Applications/Readiris 7 Pro
14848 /Applications/RealOne Player.app
1427508 /Applications/Reason
45820 /Applications/SQUEEZE
2936 /Applications/Safari.app
632 /Applications/Sherlock.app
4552 /Applications/Sound Grinder 2.2
3768 /Applications/Sound Grinder™
6364 /Applications/SoundConverter.app
18936 /Applications/SpeedTouch
312 /Applications/Stickies.app
6108 /Applications/StuffIt Standard 7.0.3
192 /Applications/System Preferences.app
568 /Applications/TextEdit.app
22288 /Applications/The Rosetta Stone v2.0.7.1 OSX
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/blind.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ie_mc.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ie_mc_search.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ie_pc.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ns_mc.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/css_ns_pc.css: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/keys.html: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/logo.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/shredder.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_about.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_interface_logo.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_output.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_program_icon.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_readme_composit.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_setup_icon.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_shortcuts.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_start_playback.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files/T2_welcome.gif: Permission denied
du: /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2/Readme_files: Permission denied
36692 /Applications/TraktorDJStudio2
166340 /Applications/Utilities
8208 /Applications/Windows Media Player
88 /Applications/X11.app
14080 /Applications/iCal.app
1164 /Applications/iChat.app
2556 /Applications/iGetter 1.9.5
20428 /Applications/iPhoto.app
1264 /Applications/iStopMotion 1.1
4756 /Applications/iSwipe 1.5
2436 /Applications/iSync.app
16624 /Applications/iTunes.app
36 /Applications/vlc-0.6.2
3029144 total
Any of this make sense??
Inverter - Oct 10, 2005 - 2:15 pm
Let's see ... the last line of the first command shows a good 12 GB used, so that fits to the partition size of 15 GB with less than 4 GB free.
Looking for the biggest numbers we find /System with 1 GB, which is normal, then you have 3 GB in /Applications, and 7 GB in /Users. This brings us to about 11 GB, leaving 1 GB for all the rest.
Looking at /Applications we can see /Applications/Reason weighing in at 1.4 GB, so that's nearly half of the 3 GB!
You can now start looking at the applications and deciding what you want to delete - though as we can see, quite a few of them are so small that it won't help a lot.
As for /Users, you can now issue the command
du -sckx /Users/*
or perhaps better run the command as super-user:
sudo du -sckx /Users/*
(you need to do this from an account with administrator right, and you will be asked for your password when you execute the "su" command with the "sudo" in front.)
If one directory, say /Users/example, is very much largen than the others, just do a
sudo du -sckx /Users/example/*
etc. so you can nail down where all the data is...
Ciao, Colin
panda - Oct 14, 2005 - 9:39 am
Hi Colin - just to say - I finally tracked down the missing data last night - it turns out my better half had been keeping her iTunes music in her account section of the HD, instead of the partition I use away from the boot drive - so that's what happened to the 6GB or so.
It didn't show up on the search I guess because it was in her account, weird, but makes sense if I didn't do a sweep from her account, only mine.
Just wanted to say thanks a million for your prompt advice, you're a star, I can now burn DVD's and the like without frustration - and if you have any need for a bunch of music - I have thousands of tracks, (mostly perfectly legal!) and would be happy to mail you a copy of my library if you like.
email me your address, if you wish, and I will pop them in the post, I'm in London, England, I guess you're in the States (?) but if you want 6000 tracks from the last 20 years, mostly obscure rock, electronica and funky dance music (I'm a DJ, so I get access to some pretty good stuff!) then feel free, it would be the least I could do.
My personal email is:
getkieron@btinternet.com
Thanks again Colin!!
Kieron B
Inverter - Oct 14, 2005 - 10:02 am
Glad that you got everything sorted out ... and thank you for your kind offer, but I only accept fresh pizza as payment - if and when possible ;-)