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RobinS - Jul 14, 2006 - 11:53 am
I realize Apple loves to invent their own words to seperate themselves from the masses. Such idiocy. It just further reduces their likelihood of bring up their market share.
Anyway, in Disk Utiliy there is an option called New Image. Is this the same as Copy? Why does one make an Image? Windows (95% of the world) has no term for this. I've never understood this.
Is Disk Utility better for copying optical discs or burning then Toast 7 in any way? I'm used to Toast but I was wondering if I'm missing something.
Anyway, in Disk Utiliy there is an option called New Image. Is this the same as Copy? Why does one make an Image? Windows (95% of the world) has no term for this. I've never understood this.
Is Disk Utility better for copying optical discs or burning then Toast 7 in any way? I'm used to Toast but I was wondering if I'm missing something.
RobinS - Jul 14, 2006 - 12:04 pm
Then there is the term called Unmount. Is this the same as Eject?
Why would someone want to Unmount a hard drive? How many people have redundant Raid arrays that are hot swappable? Or is this for external hot swappable USB/Firewire hard drives?
To create a new image, does this require a lot of resources? I'm trying this with a DVD and my whole system froze for a few seconds.
All of this wouldn't be necessary if people standardized computer vocabulary terms of course............oh well. That's not going to happen anytime soon.
Why would someone want to Unmount a hard drive? How many people have redundant Raid arrays that are hot swappable? Or is this for external hot swappable USB/Firewire hard drives?
To create a new image, does this require a lot of resources? I'm trying this with a DVD and my whole system froze for a few seconds.
All of this wouldn't be necessary if people standardized computer vocabulary terms of course............oh well. That's not going to happen anytime soon.
DeltaMac - Jul 14, 2006 - 4:16 pm
There's a lot of answers to your questions in the Help files in Disk Utility.
But, a New Image can allow you to create a custom folder-and-file setup for a variety of uses - creating an encrypted disk image that you can open later on, if you know the password to open it. the disk image can used for just that - a disk image - fill it with the files you want, and burn that to a disk - either a CD-R, or DVD-r or whatever. So, a disk image is " an image (or perhaps, virtual) disk
You might want to unmount a single partition on a drive which has multiple partitions. You can't do that from the finder, but you can un-mount a single partition from Disk Utility. Eject will always cause an ejectable disk to eject (also unmounting as a result). Unmount does not necessarily cause a disk to eject.
A .iso file on a PC, is an image file, and can perform similar functions as an image file on a Mac.
But, a New Image can allow you to create a custom folder-and-file setup for a variety of uses - creating an encrypted disk image that you can open later on, if you know the password to open it. the disk image can used for just that - a disk image - fill it with the files you want, and burn that to a disk - either a CD-R, or DVD-r or whatever. So, a disk image is " an image (or perhaps, virtual) disk
You might want to unmount a single partition on a drive which has multiple partitions. You can't do that from the finder, but you can un-mount a single partition from Disk Utility. Eject will always cause an ejectable disk to eject (also unmounting as a result). Unmount does not necessarily cause a disk to eject.
A .iso file on a PC, is an image file, and can perform similar functions as an image file on a Mac.
RobinS - Jul 15, 2006 - 12:05 am
> But, a New Image can allow you to create a custom folder-and-file setup for a variety of uses - creating an encrypted disk image that you can open later on, if you know the password to open it.
If you want to encrypt something, don't you just use PGP or the Firevault?
> the disk image can used for just that - a disk image - fill it with the files you want, and burn that to a disk - either a CD-R, or DVD-r or whatever.
I do this in Toast and Toast saves the file titles if I want to do it again later.
> So, a disk image is " an image (or perhaps, virtual) disk
You might want to unmount a single partition on a drive which has multiple partitions. You can't do that from the finder, but you can un-mount a single partition from Disk Utility.
Why would one want to un-mount a hard drive partition?
> Eject will always cause an ejectable disk to eject (also unmounting as a result).
Same as pushing Eject on my burner or keyboard?
> Unmount does not necessarily cause a disk to eject.
I just don't get it.
> A .iso file on a PC, is an image file, and can perform similar functions as an image file on a Mac.
You mean for burning? Like Toast creates before burning a disc?
If you want to encrypt something, don't you just use PGP or the Firevault?
> the disk image can used for just that - a disk image - fill it with the files you want, and burn that to a disk - either a CD-R, or DVD-r or whatever.
I do this in Toast and Toast saves the file titles if I want to do it again later.
> So, a disk image is " an image (or perhaps, virtual) disk
You might want to unmount a single partition on a drive which has multiple partitions. You can't do that from the finder, but you can un-mount a single partition from Disk Utility.
Why would one want to un-mount a hard drive partition?
> Eject will always cause an ejectable disk to eject (also unmounting as a result).
Same as pushing Eject on my burner or keyboard?
> Unmount does not necessarily cause a disk to eject.
I just don't get it.
> A .iso file on a PC, is an image file, and can perform similar functions as an image file on a Mac.
You mean for burning? Like Toast creates before burning a disc?
DeltaMac - Jul 15, 2006 - 7:36 am
> Same as pushing Eject on my burner or keyboard?
eject is always eject, I think. If there is something physical (like a floppy disk) then the disk ejects (or is ready to eject), and the drive and its volume(s) unmount, no longer accessible, until you re-insert the disk, when the disk re-mounts. Or you can open Disk Utility, and choose the Mount command.
> If you want to encrypt something, don't you just use PGP or the Firevault?
PGP doesn't come with your Mac, and Filevault encrypts your home folder, not just a single folder with a couple of files. And sometimes, you don't need the possible problems that FileVault can cause if the encrypted image for your entire home folder becomes corrupted, when most folks don't need that whole folder encrypted. With an encrypted image, you just store away the files/folder you want. There's a lot of flexibility. PGP is also good, but doesn't come with your Mac.
Likewise, Toast will basically do whatever Disk Utility does. Disk Utility is a GUI for the UNIX diskutil function (and other disk control functions). Other utilities that you might have (such as Toast), use that same function. Toast is very good, and gives a lot of options all in one place, that you would need a lot of knowledge about the terminal/command line to do, so Toast makes those things quite simple, but again, doesn't come with your Mac.
> Why would one want to un-mount a hard drive partition?
You might need to unmount a partition to test it with some utilities. Most would unmount that partition automatically, but manually unmount is sometimes needed. You might unmount a partition, so it can't be viewed temporarily (such as when searching, and you don't want that search to move to that partition). Most of what you would use unmount for a single partition are temporary conditions.
Eject and unmount are simply different shades of the same thing.
Unmount does not necessarily eject.
Eject will always unmount
> You mean for burning? Like Toast creates before burning a disc?
Yes, and yes, an .iso is a form of disk image...used for burning. many isos will also mount (and can be burned on the Mac). And Toast certainly supports those as well. You say you don't get it, but by your questions, I guess you are. People used to think that a Mac was a little short of options, compared to a PC/Windows. I think you can see now that ain't necessarily so. And with third-party utilities, much of the internal tools are often easy to access.
* * Please, please do a little checking before you make a statement such as:
'Windows (95% of the world) has no term for this. I've never understood this. '
If you haven't come across that term (in Windows) before, then there is a wealth of information on the 'net. Google is your friend (LOL). Here's a link with some good info:
http://www.winimage.com/winimage.htm
You will see a lot of similarities with the description of Disk Utility (or Toast, for that matter).
- Dale
eject is always eject, I think. If there is something physical (like a floppy disk) then the disk ejects (or is ready to eject), and the drive and its volume(s) unmount, no longer accessible, until you re-insert the disk, when the disk re-mounts. Or you can open Disk Utility, and choose the Mount command.
> If you want to encrypt something, don't you just use PGP or the Firevault?
PGP doesn't come with your Mac, and Filevault encrypts your home folder, not just a single folder with a couple of files. And sometimes, you don't need the possible problems that FileVault can cause if the encrypted image for your entire home folder becomes corrupted, when most folks don't need that whole folder encrypted. With an encrypted image, you just store away the files/folder you want. There's a lot of flexibility. PGP is also good, but doesn't come with your Mac.
Likewise, Toast will basically do whatever Disk Utility does. Disk Utility is a GUI for the UNIX diskutil function (and other disk control functions). Other utilities that you might have (such as Toast), use that same function. Toast is very good, and gives a lot of options all in one place, that you would need a lot of knowledge about the terminal/command line to do, so Toast makes those things quite simple, but again, doesn't come with your Mac.
> Why would one want to un-mount a hard drive partition?
You might need to unmount a partition to test it with some utilities. Most would unmount that partition automatically, but manually unmount is sometimes needed. You might unmount a partition, so it can't be viewed temporarily (such as when searching, and you don't want that search to move to that partition). Most of what you would use unmount for a single partition are temporary conditions.
Eject and unmount are simply different shades of the same thing.
Unmount does not necessarily eject.
Eject will always unmount
> You mean for burning? Like Toast creates before burning a disc?
Yes, and yes, an .iso is a form of disk image...used for burning. many isos will also mount (and can be burned on the Mac). And Toast certainly supports those as well. You say you don't get it, but by your questions, I guess you are. People used to think that a Mac was a little short of options, compared to a PC/Windows. I think you can see now that ain't necessarily so. And with third-party utilities, much of the internal tools are often easy to access.
* * Please, please do a little checking before you make a statement such as:
'Windows (95% of the world) has no term for this. I've never understood this. '
If you haven't come across that term (in Windows) before, then there is a wealth of information on the 'net. Google is your friend (LOL). Here's a link with some good info:
http://www.winimage.com/winimage.htm
You will see a lot of similarities with the description of Disk Utility (or Toast, for that matter).
- Dale
RobinS - Jul 16, 2006 - 12:57 pm
Well you certainly explained those points well.
My point also of course was if its possible to use an existing term for something, it should be used. It would seem that Apple likes to invent a new vocabulary when its not needed. And this severely limits the usability of OS X for people interested in trying it and enjoying it quickly. No one likes to be bogged down by things that are the same, but need different functions and labels to work.
Imagine if every car needed several hours to learn how to drive. Its similar.
My point also of course was if its possible to use an existing term for something, it should be used. It would seem that Apple likes to invent a new vocabulary when its not needed. And this severely limits the usability of OS X for people interested in trying it and enjoying it quickly. No one likes to be bogged down by things that are the same, but need different functions and labels to work.
Imagine if every car needed several hours to learn how to drive. Its similar.
DeltaMac - Jul 16, 2006 - 3:28 pm
> Imagine if every car needed several hours to learn how to drive. Its similar.
Although I take your point - driving itself is no problem, but you may need to take a few hours to familiarize yourself with a new car's different features, mostly by browsing through the help files (in your car owner's manual), seeing the differences in how to fully use the radio/power accessories/emergency device locations (where's the spare tire?) (where's that parking brake, anyway, and why does this car call it an emergency brake?) - as well as proper servicing, tire pressure, body and surface maintenance, location of controls, etc. etc. There are ALWAYS differences. Most of these don't affect 'driving' but do affect use of the car, and are no less important, and can save you time if you have trouble in the future.
MY point (perhaps a little foggy on that, but nevermind), is that it's not about the similarities, it's the differences. OS X is nothing like Windows, and doesn't pretend to be - and that should be a Good Thing™.
I had a teacher once who said something like (I'm paraphrasing, of course)- Similarities are the things that tie your life together. Differences are what make your life interesting - celebrate the differences! I guess it was about marriage, but I think it applies here, too.
- Dale
Although I take your point - driving itself is no problem, but you may need to take a few hours to familiarize yourself with a new car's different features, mostly by browsing through the help files (in your car owner's manual), seeing the differences in how to fully use the radio/power accessories/emergency device locations (where's the spare tire?) (where's that parking brake, anyway, and why does this car call it an emergency brake?) - as well as proper servicing, tire pressure, body and surface maintenance, location of controls, etc. etc. There are ALWAYS differences. Most of these don't affect 'driving' but do affect use of the car, and are no less important, and can save you time if you have trouble in the future.
MY point (perhaps a little foggy on that, but nevermind), is that it's not about the similarities, it's the differences. OS X is nothing like Windows, and doesn't pretend to be - and that should be a Good Thing™.
I had a teacher once who said something like (I'm paraphrasing, of course)- Similarities are the things that tie your life together. Differences are what make your life interesting - celebrate the differences! I guess it was about marriage, but I think it applies here, too.
- Dale
RobinS - Jul 16, 2006 - 5:39 pm
Apple should endeavor to make simple commands as compatible as possible (when possible) to the world at large. Only then will the average Joe see that OS X is better in most regards than Windows.
DeltaMac - Jul 16, 2006 - 7:11 pm
Notwithstanding your personal opinion about this - I think Apple doesn't care to make their basic user commands identical to those in Windows. Why cater to an OS that does many things reasonably well, when you have an OS already that is inherently more stable, and from the beginning was designed for the user? Think about the user experience with either Windows or Mac OS X, and which is simpler to use for a NEW computer user. Consider a Windows install, with its bewildering display of 'Options', and a sudden 'let's enter some more information before we can really install' in the middle of the install - what's that all about? Compared to an OS X install, where you basically click Install, choose the disk and continue, and that's about it. A short user setup after one reboot, and a couple of quick questions about your internet setup, and not just installed, but ready to use. Microsoft has really pulled the wool over most user's eyes...
Sorry, maybe I get a little philosophical about this, but I think you have been hoodwinked by an inferior window (like most of the 95%) - oh, and I don't think you are average (or a Joe) - thanks for listening! - I go off the track some times...
- Dale
Sorry, maybe I get a little philosophical about this, but I think you have been hoodwinked by an inferior window (like most of the 95%) - oh, and I don't think you are average (or a Joe) - thanks for listening! - I go off the track some times...
- Dale
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