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RobinS - Jul 22, 2006 - 12:03 am
As soon as I hit OK on the Preferences after selecting Mail as the default email app, it shuts down.
I downloaded the latest version of Opera 9 and after clicking the .dmg file it says it was missing a codec. Then it quit. Now when I click it it just vanishes. Nothing opens.
Things in this part of the world are starting to fall apart.
I downloaded the latest version of Opera 9 and after clicking the .dmg file it says it was missing a codec. Then it quit. Now when I click it it just vanishes. Nothing opens.
Things in this part of the world are starting to fall apart.
ishan - Jul 23, 2006 - 7:29 pm
This is one of the problems known with an earlier build. Try the 9.01 3482 build which you can download from Opera's website. At least, that bug has been eliminated...but there are others.
RobinS - Jul 23, 2006 - 10:22 pm
Do you use Opera?
ishan - Jul 24, 2006 - 7:41 pm
Yes. Do you?
RobinS - Jul 24, 2006 - 7:48 pm
The reason I asked is that often the volunteers, in trying to help, often answer in areas they aren't really familiar with. YOu mention to try a particular build. I didn't realize I had a choice. On the Opera website it looks like I can download the latest which is what I"m using 9.0(3447) or 8.54. Can I get anything else? LIke specific builds?
What would you do if suddenly, most of your apps (Apple - most of the 3rd party apps are fine) suddenly don't load. I've repaired permissions, etc. I hope I don't have to reinstall.
What would you do if suddenly, most of your apps (Apple - most of the 3rd party apps are fine) suddenly don't load. I've repaired permissions, etc. I hope I don't have to reinstall.
ishan - Jul 25, 2006 - 10:13 pm
If you go to Opera beta's web pages, you have a choice of which build(s) you want to download
As to your other question, what I would do is use Yasu or Applejack or MainMenu to delete System/Finder/user caches, delete font caches, check my prefs files, run all the cron jobs and repair permissions, then restart (the whole thing takes just a few minutes). If that didn't work, I would run my combo installer for 10.4.7 (even though I'm running 10.4.7) to replace whatever file(s) are corrupt or misbehaving. If that didn't work, I would clone my cloned copy of my hard drive from yesterday to my normal boot drive and be back in business (the cloning would take about 3 hours for me for about 680 GB of files). If that didn't work, I'd archive/install with my 10.4.6 Tiger disk and then use my combo updater as above to upgrade to 10.4.7 (I don't use any of the standard Apple apps that come with the Macintosh, so I wouldn't use my original install disks; the Tiger disk would be good enough).
You seem to have an inordinate number of problems with your setup. If I were you, at some point, I would completely erase and reformat my boot drive, install everything from their original CDs and/or DVDs, download all the updaters for Apple stuff (don't use Software Update) and start fresh.
I don't know how you get any work done with all the minor and major problems you have. Why not buy an Intel Mac and use Windows XP? I hear it's pretty stable.
As to your other question, what I would do is use Yasu or Applejack or MainMenu to delete System/Finder/user caches, delete font caches, check my prefs files, run all the cron jobs and repair permissions, then restart (the whole thing takes just a few minutes). If that didn't work, I would run my combo installer for 10.4.7 (even though I'm running 10.4.7) to replace whatever file(s) are corrupt or misbehaving. If that didn't work, I would clone my cloned copy of my hard drive from yesterday to my normal boot drive and be back in business (the cloning would take about 3 hours for me for about 680 GB of files). If that didn't work, I'd archive/install with my 10.4.6 Tiger disk and then use my combo updater as above to upgrade to 10.4.7 (I don't use any of the standard Apple apps that come with the Macintosh, so I wouldn't use my original install disks; the Tiger disk would be good enough).
You seem to have an inordinate number of problems with your setup. If I were you, at some point, I would completely erase and reformat my boot drive, install everything from their original CDs and/or DVDs, download all the updaters for Apple stuff (don't use Software Update) and start fresh.
I don't know how you get any work done with all the minor and major problems you have. Why not buy an Intel Mac and use Windows XP? I hear it's pretty stable.
RobinS - Jul 25, 2006 - 10:51 pm
OK - here is the Opera download page. Before I thought they had 8.54 on it. Now I can't find it.
http://www.opera.com/download/
Is there another page where you can pick the specific build? There doesn't seem to be a link to that anywhere. Maybe I'm blind.
So you would basically do the update again. But if my Software Update tells me there is nothing to update how to I update it? I suppose there must be a manual page on Apple's website somewhere? That's great - replace the files that probably messed things up with new ones to see if the problem goes away.
What is a combo installer?
For cloning, I have SuperDuper. Is that OK?
I have a 10.4 disk. Can I somehow update to 10.4.6 with it? My problems seemed to accumulate after the 10.4.7 update.
Hearing that you have upgraded all the Apple apps sounds great. It sounds like you have high standards.
Regarding the erasing and reinstalling - I did just that about a month ago. Oh the irony!
But on the next time I install I'm going to be very careful about where I move things. This may have caused some problems. I'll start rearranging my stuff with aliases and leave the originals just where they were originally put. It seems to make more difference with Apple programs and utility type 3rd party programs. Almost all of the problems seem to be OS related.
And how did I get the system working again? I repaired those permissions - multiple times, both off the DVD and hard drive. I just didn't do it enough before. It took 2 or 3 times before there was nothing else to repair. Before I'd do it once and not check it to see if it needed it again. I've been told to repair, repair, repair and I didn't pay close enough attention. Live and learn.
Many thanks for your input. Very helpful and informative.
http://www.opera.com/download/
Is there another page where you can pick the specific build? There doesn't seem to be a link to that anywhere. Maybe I'm blind.
So you would basically do the update again. But if my Software Update tells me there is nothing to update how to I update it? I suppose there must be a manual page on Apple's website somewhere? That's great - replace the files that probably messed things up with new ones to see if the problem goes away.
What is a combo installer?
For cloning, I have SuperDuper. Is that OK?
I have a 10.4 disk. Can I somehow update to 10.4.6 with it? My problems seemed to accumulate after the 10.4.7 update.
Hearing that you have upgraded all the Apple apps sounds great. It sounds like you have high standards.
Regarding the erasing and reinstalling - I did just that about a month ago. Oh the irony!
But on the next time I install I'm going to be very careful about where I move things. This may have caused some problems. I'll start rearranging my stuff with aliases and leave the originals just where they were originally put. It seems to make more difference with Apple programs and utility type 3rd party programs. Almost all of the problems seem to be OS related.
And how did I get the system working again? I repaired those permissions - multiple times, both off the DVD and hard drive. I just didn't do it enough before. It took 2 or 3 times before there was nothing else to repair. Before I'd do it once and not check it to see if it needed it again. I've been told to repair, repair, repair and I didn't pay close enough attention. Live and learn.
Many thanks for your input. Very helpful and informative.
ishan - Jul 25, 2006 - 11:04 pm
A "combo installer" is one that doesn't just do a delta update, i.e., from 10.4.6 to 10.4.7 but will update anything from 10.1 onwards to 10.4.7. It also works for any Macintosh-what you get in Software Update is specific for your Macintosh.
I think the combo updater to 10.4.7 on Apple's downloads page requires you have at least 10.1 installed, but I'm not sure. The details are on the page.
I don't have "high" standards per se. I'm just used to Entourage vs. Mail, Word vs. Pages. I do use iMovie HD and Final Cut Express, but those apps are not included (iMovie HD is if iLife is installed on the Mac at time of purchase).
I use SuperDuper daily to do incremental updates. It is very reliable.
You are definitely right about one thing: Do NOT move Apple's apps to places other than where they are installed. If you want to put an alias in a favorite folder, that's fine. Apple's updaters look for the app where Apple thinks it should be, so if you move it, you will have no end of headaches.
Repairing permissions is a bit of a placebo. It doesn't do any harm, but if you are repairing permissions over and over again–and new items get repaired each time–you have a bigger problem than bad permissions.
One of the advantages of SuperDuper is that it will repair permissions on the source drive before any backup.
I think the combo updater to 10.4.7 on Apple's downloads page requires you have at least 10.1 installed, but I'm not sure. The details are on the page.
I don't have "high" standards per se. I'm just used to Entourage vs. Mail, Word vs. Pages. I do use iMovie HD and Final Cut Express, but those apps are not included (iMovie HD is if iLife is installed on the Mac at time of purchase).
I use SuperDuper daily to do incremental updates. It is very reliable.
You are definitely right about one thing: Do NOT move Apple's apps to places other than where they are installed. If you want to put an alias in a favorite folder, that's fine. Apple's updaters look for the app where Apple thinks it should be, so if you move it, you will have no end of headaches.
Repairing permissions is a bit of a placebo. It doesn't do any harm, but if you are repairing permissions over and over again–and new items get repaired each time–you have a bigger problem than bad permissions.
One of the advantages of SuperDuper is that it will repair permissions on the source drive before any backup.
RobinS - Jul 26, 2006 - 7:29 pm
OK - I guess you can close this one up. You've certainly been extremely informative and its going to take a while for me to try all this stuff! One of the disadvantages of dispensing multitudes of information: the listenee takes longer to try it! 
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