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dhunter - Mar 31, 2005 - 4:19 pm
Our 10.3.8 Mac (dual processor G5) and our 9.2 Macs can talk back and forth seamlessly via IP connection or file transfer by CD. But as soon as one puts a file on our NT 2000 Server network, the other Mac OS can't read it. Some files are worse than others. Quark, Freehand & Illustrator are impossible. Usually MS Office works. PDF's are OK as are TIFFs.
Our network guy can't figure it what to do. I liked 9.2, never had a bit of network trouble with it and would have never gone to 10 except that we were forced to. Now we have a mess.
One solution that's been talked about is to just hook a big USB drive on one of the Macs, dump all the networked Mac files to it. Then the Macs can happily access and work on everything via IP and the network problem has been eliminated.
But is there a proper network solution? Our IS dept. is insistent that they are going to use Microsoft server software, so Linux/Samba isn't even going to be discussed.
PS. I'm pretty new to OS X and know nothing about Unix command line stuff. I've been using 9.2 and prior for many years though.
Our network guy can't figure it what to do. I liked 9.2, never had a bit of network trouble with it and would have never gone to 10 except that we were forced to. Now we have a mess.
One solution that's been talked about is to just hook a big USB drive on one of the Macs, dump all the networked Mac files to it. Then the Macs can happily access and work on everything via IP and the network problem has been eliminated.
But is there a proper network solution? Our IS dept. is insistent that they are going to use Microsoft server software, so Linux/Samba isn't even going to be discussed.
PS. I'm pretty new to OS X and know nothing about Unix command line stuff. I've been using 9.2 and prior for many years though.
jmcdermo - Mar 31, 2005 - 11:09 pm
What do you mean when you say "But as soon as one puts a file on our NT 2000 Server network, the other Mac OS can't read it."
Are you copying the files from the Mac to CD, then from CD to the NT2000 network and then back to the Mac how?
Are you mounting an NT2000 exported fileshare on the Mac OS 10.3.8 system?
When you worked with the Mac 9.2 systems how did you share files -- sneakernet with CDs or other media, or were you using a 3rd party software to allow the Mac 9.2 systems to mount windows shares?
If you're IS department wants to keep everything on the Microsoft servers and network you can still mount/map a drive shared from the 2000 server through the finder. Go to the Go --> Connect to Server (Cmd-K) and type the following in the resulting dialog box:
smb://server/share
Hope that helps.
--John
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Are you copying the files from the Mac to CD, then from CD to the NT2000 network and then back to the Mac how?
Are you mounting an NT2000 exported fileshare on the Mac OS 10.3.8 system?
When you worked with the Mac 9.2 systems how did you share files -- sneakernet with CDs or other media, or were you using a 3rd party software to allow the Mac 9.2 systems to mount windows shares?
If you're IS department wants to keep everything on the Microsoft servers and network you can still mount/map a drive shared from the 2000 server through the finder. Go to the Go --> Connect to Server (Cmd-K) and type the following in the resulting dialog box:
smb://server/share
Hope that helps.
--John
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dhunter - Apr 1, 2005 - 7:44 am
Sorry I wasn't clear enough. I was trying to keep it short but I guess that was too short.
Both operating systems can easily read each other's files if:
1) They log onto each other's drives via IP address
2) The files are transferred via CD
However, if the 9.2 Mac writes a file and transfers it directly to the network, the 10.3.8 can't open the file from the network.
This same thing happens going the other direction. If the 10x Mac writes a file & puts it on the network, the 9.2 Macs can't read it.
But the 9.2 and the 10x Macs can easily read their own files on the network.
I don't any trouble mounting and accessing shared network drives. That part works OK.
I've been told that it's a resource fork problem. 9.2 Macs use "real" resource forks but in 10x Macs the resource fork is emulated. The Microsoft server software is written to work with real resource forks but appears to have a problem emulating a resource fork so the 9.2 machine can read the file. I've tried "Dave" and "Sharity" without much success.
I'm hoping that since this is specifically an OS X board, surely someone here has run into and solved a similar problem.
Both operating systems can easily read each other's files if:
1) They log onto each other's drives via IP address
2) The files are transferred via CD
However, if the 9.2 Mac writes a file and transfers it directly to the network, the 10.3.8 can't open the file from the network.
This same thing happens going the other direction. If the 10x Mac writes a file & puts it on the network, the 9.2 Macs can't read it.
But the 9.2 and the 10x Macs can easily read their own files on the network.
I don't any trouble mounting and accessing shared network drives. That part works OK.
I've been told that it's a resource fork problem. 9.2 Macs use "real" resource forks but in 10x Macs the resource fork is emulated. The Microsoft server software is written to work with real resource forks but appears to have a problem emulating a resource fork so the 9.2 machine can read the file. I've tried "Dave" and "Sharity" without much success.
I'm hoping that since this is specifically an OS X board, surely someone here has run into and solved a similar problem.
jmcdermo - Apr 1, 2005 - 8:31 am
Sorry to be so dense, but I'm still not understanding the issue.
When you say "if the 9.2 Mac writes a file and transfers it directly to the network" what do you mean by the network? Is it a Win2000 share that you've mounted or are you FTPing it to a network server.
How is this different than when they "They log onto each other's drives via IP address"?
Are you running the Mac extensions on you Win2000 server so the Mac 9.2 systems can see and mount shares from the Win2000 server?
Mac OS X can read older style files with the resource fork stripped, so I'm not sure that's the problem.
If you take an MS word file created on mac OS 9.2, copy it to a PC formatted floppy, then copy that file to the PC hard drive the resource fork is gone. Now erase the file on the floppy, copy it from the PC hard drive back to the floppy and then go back to the Mac you should be able to open the file.
I'm sure this back and forth is frustrating, but I'm sure we'll get there.
--John
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When you say "if the 9.2 Mac writes a file and transfers it directly to the network" what do you mean by the network? Is it a Win2000 share that you've mounted or are you FTPing it to a network server.
How is this different than when they "They log onto each other's drives via IP address"?
Are you running the Mac extensions on you Win2000 server so the Mac 9.2 systems can see and mount shares from the Win2000 server?
Mac OS X can read older style files with the resource fork stripped, so I'm not sure that's the problem.
If you take an MS word file created on mac OS 9.2, copy it to a PC formatted floppy, then copy that file to the PC hard drive the resource fork is gone. Now erase the file on the floppy, copy it from the PC hard drive back to the floppy and then go back to the Mac you should be able to open the file.
I'm sure this back and forth is frustrating, but I'm sure we'll get there.
--John
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dhunter - Apr 1, 2005 - 8:55 am
No FTPing is involved. The Win2000 server has a number of shares we (the Mac users) can access and use. If a 9x Mac puts a file on one of those Win2000 shared drives, the 10x Mac can't open it.
However, if the 10x Mac goes directly to the 9x Mac via network connection and looks at that file on the drive of the 9x Mac, the 10x Mac can open it. It's only when the file has been transferred to the Win2000 shared drive that the 9x vs 10x compatability problem starts.
For years our Macs have been using the Win2000 shared drives with no problem whatsoever. It's only when we added the 10x operating system to the mix that the problems started.
However, if the 10x Mac goes directly to the 9x Mac via network connection and looks at that file on the drive of the 9x Mac, the 10x Mac can open it. It's only when the file has been transferred to the Win2000 shared drive that the 9x vs 10x compatability problem starts.
For years our Macs have been using the Win2000 shared drives with no problem whatsoever. It's only when we added the 10x operating system to the mix that the problems started.
dhunter - Apr 1, 2005 - 9:18 am
John, I forgot to address your other question regarding Mac extensions. I don't know anything about Win server software but was told that it comes with an AppleShare Protocol which is activated. I asked our network engineer about Mac extensions and he didn't know what I was talking about so obviously nothing other than the AS Protocol has been installed.
ScottW - Apr 4, 2005 - 11:14 am
Sending question back to open queue to get resolved.
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