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| DATE | Sep 20, 2006 |
| TICKET | #28366 |
| STATUS | Closed |
| SUBJECT | OS 10.4 Not Booting up |
| CAT | Computers, Operating Systems, Applications or Connected Devices |
| TYPE | Operating System Features, Bugs and Problems |
| DESC | Apple |
| DESC | 10.4.X (Tiger) |
| PLATFORM | Apple Macintosh (PowerPC G3,G4,G5) |
| MODEL | G3 BW REV 2 |
| PROC | 400 |
| RAM | 640 |
| DRIVE | 130 |
| NAME | Jonathan |
| USERNAME | jonathan Lewis |
| TECHNICAL | Lots of Experience |
| ISSUE | Totally Lost |
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TICKET ARCHIVE -> OS 10.4 Not Booting up
jonathan Lewis - Sep 20, 2006 - 8:11 am
My Specs. G3 BW REv 2. With a cdrw-DVD and 3 ata drives and 1 scsi.
OKay I am at a complete lost! I had some problems with my BW G3 a few months ago so I took it completely apart (completely)! I got busy so I left it apart for about 1 month!
about 2 weeks ago I put it back together and now it boots with the firmware screen. When I type mac-boot it with show a mac ? and like a blue purple color mac and boot-up my OS 9 ( thats on the scsi drive).
No matter what I do OS X will not boot! I even tried booting from my os 10.4 DVD.
which didnt even load! and 10.2 which just showed the spining wheel for 10 hours!
I may try to find my OS 10.3 CD. Since my 10.4 is a dvd and maybe the computer cant read the after market dvd recorder. although os 10.2 didnt boot.
Also maybe there is a something in the firmware I can do?
I did the basics.
boot-mac
reset-vram
reset-all
thanks
JON
OKay I am at a complete lost! I had some problems with my BW G3 a few months ago so I took it completely apart (completely)! I got busy so I left it apart for about 1 month!
about 2 weeks ago I put it back together and now it boots with the firmware screen. When I type mac-boot it with show a mac ? and like a blue purple color mac and boot-up my OS 9 ( thats on the scsi drive).
No matter what I do OS X will not boot! I even tried booting from my os 10.4 DVD.
which didnt even load! and 10.2 which just showed the spining wheel for 10 hours!
I may try to find my OS 10.3 CD. Since my 10.4 is a dvd and maybe the computer cant read the after market dvd recorder. although os 10.2 didnt boot.
Also maybe there is a something in the firmware I can do?
I did the basics.
boot-mac
reset-vram
reset-all
thanks
JON
jonathan Lewis - Sep 20, 2006 - 1:08 pm
I found my old OS 10.3 CD and even tried booting from it with no luck!
Computer still boots in open firmware mode by default and after typing
mac-boot always will boot to OS 9.2.2. HELP!!!
Computer still boots in open firmware mode by default and after typing
mac-boot always will boot to OS 9.2.2. HELP!!!
jonathan Lewis - Sep 20, 2006 - 5:45 pm
the is the error message I get when I try to boot OS X
Blue screen with blue/ green ?"
/pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/mac-io@5/ata-3@20000/@0: 10,\\:tbxi
Blue screen with blue/ green ?"
/pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/mac-io@5/ata-3@20000/@0: 10,\\:tbxi
jonathan Lewis - Sep 21, 2006 - 8:54 am
It seems the only system CDs I can get to boot are OS 9s. I can even get them to install. OS 10.2 will seem to boot but I just get a spining icon forever. OS 10.3 AND system 10.4 cds do nothing! I have even tried unpluging all hard drives!
Cheryl - Sep 23, 2006 - 3:03 am
Jonathan,
Do you remember what the trouble was when you first took apart your Blue & White?
What OS was originally running before the trouble?
Are all those drives internal or external? Of all those hard drive, do you have one that is set to master and the others set to slave with the setup pins on the drives? (these pins are located on the same side as where you connect the ribbon cables).
Do you have a backup of your important files on the startup drive?
The answers to these questions will help me to solve your problems.
Cheryl
Do you remember what the trouble was when you first took apart your Blue & White?
What OS was originally running before the trouble?
Are all those drives internal or external? Of all those hard drive, do you have one that is set to master and the others set to slave with the setup pins on the drives? (these pins are located on the same side as where you connect the ribbon cables).
Do you have a backup of your important files on the startup drive?
The answers to these questions will help me to solve your problems.
Cheryl
jonathan Lewis - Sep 23, 2006 - 7:51 am
The original problem was a monitior not turning on. it turned out to be a wire not pluged it right ( i think). before taing it appart I was running 4 internal drives and running os 10.4. I have run os 10.3 and os 10.2 before with success.
Problem must be firmware. Everytime I use any OS 10 cd to boot I get a open firmware screen and after hitting masc-boot I get errors or os 9 boots.
any os 9 cd will boot no problem with no open firmware screen
settings of hard drives / connection are all right
Problem must be firmware. Everytime I use any OS 10 cd to boot I get a open firmware screen and after hitting masc-boot I get errors or os 9 boots.
any os 9 cd will boot no problem with no open firmware screen
settings of hard drives / connection are all right
Cheryl - Sep 23, 2006 - 3:58 pm
Jonathan,
When you first installed OS X did you install the firmware update? This could be the reason why you can only boot in OS 9. Do you have OS 9 installed on one of your drives? If not, you can install OS 9 on the drive that you have the OS 9 drivers installed.
To check for the drive, start up with the OS 9 CD.
Click twice on the installer. The next screen should show you your drives and which one you can install the OS 9 on.
If not of the drives have the OS 9 drivers, you will need to totally erase one drive and install the OS 9 drivers at format using Drive Setup on the OS 9 CD.
Once that is done, you can then install OS 9.
Once installed the machine will boot up in OS 9. From there you need to download and install the firmware update.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58374
Did you install a new drive when your trouble first started (when you took apart the computer)?
Cheryl
When you first installed OS X did you install the firmware update? This could be the reason why you can only boot in OS 9. Do you have OS 9 installed on one of your drives? If not, you can install OS 9 on the drive that you have the OS 9 drivers installed.
To check for the drive, start up with the OS 9 CD.
Click twice on the installer. The next screen should show you your drives and which one you can install the OS 9 on.
If not of the drives have the OS 9 drivers, you will need to totally erase one drive and install the OS 9 drivers at format using Drive Setup on the OS 9 CD.
Once that is done, you can then install OS 9.
Once installed the machine will boot up in OS 9. From there you need to download and install the firmware update.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58374
Did you install a new drive when your trouble first started (when you took apart the computer)?
Cheryl
jonathan Lewis - Sep 23, 2006 - 6:56 pm
My computer worked fine for years! Ive had os 9 and 10 working uptill a few months ago when then monitor stopped! then I took it apart and resently put it back together. no setting changed! firmware shouldnt be the problem.
Im thinking open firmware
JON
Im thinking open firmware
JON
Cheryl - Sep 24, 2006 - 3:43 am
Jonathan,
I am not sure why your machine is suddenly going to the open firmware at start up, but let's try this:
First, disconnect any additional external devices you have on the computer, leaving just the monitor, keyboard and mouse. (make sure it is the usb keyboard you are using)
Start up the computer like you would normally. (no need for a CD)
When the open firmware comes up type:
mac-boot
hit return
Does the computer then continue to start up?
If not try typing this:
bye
then hit return
boot
then hit return
did it start up?
If not, hold the power button to turn off the computer, then start it up again, this time holding down the Option key.
Let me know how you do.
Cheryl
I am not sure why your machine is suddenly going to the open firmware at start up, but let's try this:
First, disconnect any additional external devices you have on the computer, leaving just the monitor, keyboard and mouse. (make sure it is the usb keyboard you are using)
Start up the computer like you would normally. (no need for a CD)
When the open firmware comes up type:
mac-boot
hit return
Does the computer then continue to start up?
If not try typing this:
bye
then hit return
boot
then hit return
did it start up?
If not, hold the power button to turn off the computer, then start it up again, this time holding down the Option key.
Let me know how you do.
Cheryl
jonathan Lewis - Sep 24, 2006 - 7:43 pm
Sorry try all that! I know youre tring to help but seems like your not reading my notes! I quess I need an advanced tec.
thaks again JON
thaks again JON
Cheryl - Sep 25, 2006 - 2:10 am
Jonathan,
Yes, I read your notes, but sometimes the second or third try does the trick.
You need Disk Warrior or Tech Tool Pro to start up the computer and scan your drives. What I am thinking is that one of your directory files is corrupt forcing the machine to boot in open firmware. The rebuild of the directory should correct this.
Cheryl
Yes, I read your notes, but sometimes the second or third try does the trick.
You need Disk Warrior or Tech Tool Pro to start up the computer and scan your drives. What I am thinking is that one of your directory files is corrupt forcing the machine to boot in open firmware. The rebuild of the directory should correct this.
Cheryl
jonathan Lewis - Sep 25, 2006 - 7:53 am
I have tried this to! Botting anything OS 10.xxx fails to boot-up! Even my techtool and diskwarrior CDs
JON
JON
jonathan Lewis - Sep 25, 2006 - 9:35 am
I have 4 internal drives installed! I have tried disconnectiing them and booting from each drive with no luck. When computer starts up I almost always get the open firmware screen! I have tried all the basic open firmware comands and can get os 9 to work fine. The problem is that OS 10 with not boot-up! ( Yes all of this worked fine before and everything is the same as before when it worked)
I have all kinds of OS X versions and repair CD that I cant get to boot. only my os 9 cds boot!
JON
I have all kinds of OS X versions and repair CD that I cant get to boot. only my os 9 cds boot!
JON
Cheryl - Sep 25, 2006 - 1:40 pm
Jon,
Start up the computer and when it opens in the open firmware:
Type "printenv" at the prompt
look for the boot-device setting. Write this down. Be accurate, the command line is unforgiving.
Type the following, assuming "/pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/mac-io@5/ata-3@20000/@0: 10,\\:tbxi" is your current setting:
setenv boot-device mac-io@5/ata-3@20000/@0: 10,\System\Library\CoreServices\BootX
then hit return.
The only thing changed was the "\\:tbxi" at the end, everything else stays the same. Also note that these are backslashes, not forward slashes!
Type "mac-boot"
Rejoice, because you're booting into X.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl
Start up the computer and when it opens in the open firmware:
Type "printenv" at the prompt
look for the boot-device setting. Write this down. Be accurate, the command line is unforgiving.
Type the following, assuming "/pci@80000000/pci-bridge@d/mac-io@5/ata-3@20000/@0: 10,\\:tbxi" is your current setting:
setenv boot-device mac-io@5/ata-3@20000/@0: 10,\System\Library\CoreServices\BootX
then hit return.
The only thing changed was the "\\:tbxi" at the end, everything else stays the same. Also note that these are backslashes, not forward slashes!
Type "mac-boot"
Rejoice, because you're booting into X.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl
jonathan Lewis - Sep 26, 2006 - 7:43 pm
I am about to give up. I wish there was away to to an online chat fix.
Still cant get os 10 to boot up! even from a CD makes no sence at all
My OS 9 works completely fine. Any other ideas?
thanks
Still cant get os 10 to boot up! even from a CD makes no sence at all
My OS 9 works completely fine. Any other ideas?
thanks
jonathan Lewis - Sep 26, 2006 - 8:42 pm
diskwarrior 9 boots but not os 10 version.
JON
JON
Cheryl - Sep 27, 2006 - 1:51 am
Jon,
It is strange that OS X on any drive does not boot, which could mean that the firmware became corrupt or an important file of OS X is corrupt. That this happens on all your OS X drives is even stranger.
Did you run Disk Warrior on the drives?
Use the OS 9 CD to boot up the computer. Your desktop should show with the drives. Do the drives show up?
If you don't have OS 9 installed on one of the drives, install it. The installer will allow you to install OS 9 on the drive that has the OS 9 drivers. If all of your drives have the driver, select the one with the most room on it.
Once installed you will need to restart. It will boot in OS 9. I highly recommend that you reinstall the firmware update.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58374
Once installed and the computer restarts, go to Control Panels>Startup Disk and see what shows up as possible startups.
When you put the computer back together, did you make sure all the cables were placed snug in their ports?
When was the last time you changed the internal battery? A low battery can cause strange things to happen. While it may seem irrelevant, it is an important piece of the computer.
Keep me posted on how you do and in the mean time I will ask fellow techs for ideas.
Cheryl
It is strange that OS X on any drive does not boot, which could mean that the firmware became corrupt or an important file of OS X is corrupt. That this happens on all your OS X drives is even stranger.
Did you run Disk Warrior on the drives?
Use the OS 9 CD to boot up the computer. Your desktop should show with the drives. Do the drives show up?
If you don't have OS 9 installed on one of the drives, install it. The installer will allow you to install OS 9 on the drive that has the OS 9 drivers. If all of your drives have the driver, select the one with the most room on it.
Once installed you will need to restart. It will boot in OS 9. I highly recommend that you reinstall the firmware update.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58374
Once installed and the computer restarts, go to Control Panels>Startup Disk and see what shows up as possible startups.
When you put the computer back together, did you make sure all the cables were placed snug in their ports?
When was the last time you changed the internal battery? A low battery can cause strange things to happen. While it may seem irrelevant, it is an important piece of the computer.
Keep me posted on how you do and in the mean time I will ask fellow techs for ideas.
Cheryl
jonathan Lewis - Sep 27, 2006 - 7:37 am
I have had OS 9 installed for sometime and it works with no problems! I even instaled it again on athother drive. I cant reinstall the firmware! I get an
already uptodate message.
JON
already uptodate message.
JON
jonathan Lewis - Sep 27, 2006 - 8:02 am
I need to get this fixed today! I am using the os 9 diskrepair on all the hds.
then I will use the disk warrior on all the hds (os9 version)
maybe I will try instlling os 9 on all the internal drive
dosent make sence but ...
JON
then I will use the disk warrior on all the hds (os9 version)
maybe I will try instlling os 9 on all the internal drive
dosent make sence but ...
JON
jonathan Lewis - Sep 27, 2006 - 9:01 am
I need to get this fixed today! I am using the os 9 diskrepair on all the hds.
then I will use the disk warrior on all the hds (os9 version)
maybe I will try instlling os 9 on all the internal drive
dosent make sence but ...
JON
then I will use the disk warrior on all the hds (os9 version)
maybe I will try instlling os 9 on all the internal drive
dosent make sence but ...
JON
jonathan Lewis - Sep 27, 2006 - 10:28 am
I can now boot OS 10 Cds!!!!!!!!!!!! after searching the internet a came across an application a heard about a long time ago Xpostfacto
http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/...PostFacto.html
I will leave this ticket open for now till everything is working
Now that OS 10 is booting I will try my repair utilites or reinstall
JON
http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/...PostFacto.html
I will leave this ticket open for now till everything is working
Now that OS 10 is booting I will try my repair utilites or reinstall
JON
jonathan Lewis - Sep 27, 2006 - 11:26 am
Reapairing HDs resulted in a freeze! with a black screen restart needed!
So I am now installing a new copy os OS 10.4 on one of the 4 internal drives
JON
So I am now installing a new copy os OS 10.4 on one of the 4 internal drives
JON
Cheryl - Sep 27, 2006 - 1:11 pm
Jon,
What were you using to repair the drives? It could very well be that the directory files became corrupt. When this happens, even Disk Warrior can not repair the files.
Keep me posted.
What were you using to repair the drives? It could very well be that the directory files became corrupt. When this happens, even Disk Warrior can not repair the files.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl - Sep 27, 2006 - 1:28 pm
Jon,
As I think about this and how you have managed to get OS X to even show itself, I have a few thoughts to share.
I am assuming that you have 10.4.7 installed on the start up drive. If that is the case, then the computer has a tantrum when you try to boot up with a CD of a lower/older version.
It could be that the drive you have selected for start up maybe failing. Did you start having problems (before you took it apart) just after you installed 10.4? Or did this happen after an update from Apple?
Another thought: How much free space do you have on the start up drive? You need at least 15 - 20 % free for virtual memory to work smoothly. Virtual memory is automatic in OS X. This is on the drive that the start up OS X is installed on, not a combination of all your drives.
Cheryl
As I think about this and how you have managed to get OS X to even show itself, I have a few thoughts to share.
I am assuming that you have 10.4.7 installed on the start up drive. If that is the case, then the computer has a tantrum when you try to boot up with a CD of a lower/older version.
It could be that the drive you have selected for start up maybe failing. Did you start having problems (before you took it apart) just after you installed 10.4? Or did this happen after an update from Apple?
Another thought: How much free space do you have on the start up drive? You need at least 15 - 20 % free for virtual memory to work smoothly. Virtual memory is automatic in OS X. This is on the drive that the start up OS X is installed on, not a combination of all your drives.
Cheryl
jonathan Lewis - Sep 27, 2006 - 10:29 pm
Computer is now up and running perfectly thanks to xpostfacto!!!!!!
Thanks for all your efforts Chelyl
Thanks for all your efforts Chelyl
Cheryl - Sep 28, 2006 - 1:52 am
Jon,
I am still puzzled by your problem. What are the sizes of your hard drives?
I am glad you got it up and running.
Cheryl
I am still puzzled by your problem. What are the sizes of your hard drives?
I am glad you got it up and running.
Cheryl
jonathan Lewis - Sep 28, 2006 - 8:00 am
Drive information.
1# had OS 10.3 with 40G had about 9g free
2# had OS 10.4 with 70G had about 13g free
3# no operating system
#4 had OS 9 with 8G and 3g free
I beleave that some how the openfirmware codes got screwed up!
Maybe but having the battery out of the computer reset evrything.
Or by something else happening!
Xpostfasco rewrote the codes with let me boot my computer!
How I dont know but I beleive the BW systems are a bit screwy anyways and tend to have troubles.
JON
1# had OS 10.3 with 40G had about 9g free
2# had OS 10.4 with 70G had about 13g free
3# no operating system
#4 had OS 9 with 8G and 3g free
I beleave that some how the openfirmware codes got screwed up!
Maybe but having the battery out of the computer reset evrything.
Or by something else happening!
Xpostfasco rewrote the codes with let me boot my computer!
How I dont know but I beleive the BW systems are a bit screwy anyways and tend to have troubles.
JON
Cheryl - Sep 28, 2006 - 12:58 pm
I didn't have trouble with my B & W until the monitor went dead and I couldn't get my new replacement to work on it, so I am using a G4 AGP Graphic.
Something happened that is for sure, but I don't think it was due to the battery being left out.
In any case, I am glad you are back to running order.
Cheryl
Something happened that is for sure, but I don't think it was due to the battery being left out.
In any case, I am glad you are back to running order.
Cheryl
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