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texashiy59 - Aug 20, 2005 - 11:02 am

I have a 40GB hardrive,When I partition it ,so the first 8GB,s is on the first one,but, I restart with my Mac OS X,it don't appear on the first drives icon,but the bottom,so,Mac X won't install?? it's keeps saying,not on the first 8 GB's of hardrive,so how I get to be first,so I can install it,also .even with a OS 9 disk it's the same,

DeltaMac - Aug 20, 2005 - 11:20 am

What model Mac are you using that requires this?

The First partition means: The partition at the top of the list when you are creating multiple partitions, and the 8GB should at the top of the list. When you boot, and the partitions mount, then the order should be alphabetical by the name you have given to the partitions. If you have partitioned it properly, then simply choose to install to the 8GB partition (ignore how it shows after the partitioning is completed, it should work OK)

Hope this helps you...
- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 20, 2005 - 12:10 pm

I have early iMac tray loading computer,I did that I named them Mac OS X and OS 9,but when I tried to install the OS X ,it's keeps saying ,failed to install not,the first 8GB's of hardrive,even when, I partition them as told,the drives icons still show the 8GB on the bottom icon not as was partition?

DeltaMac - Aug 20, 2005 - 12:13 pm

Make that partition a little smaller. The tech note on this issue states that the partition must be LESS than 8GB, and sometimes exactly 8GB is just too big. I have had this exact result, and now I make the '8GB', actually 7.7GB, and that will work fine.
- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 20, 2005 - 1:22 pm

sorry,to be such a pest,but,I tried,that,but,when I partitioned the drive,as untitled with 8GB& untitled 2 larger,but when I restarted,with install disk it shows up on desktop as untitled2 icon first ,and then the 8Gb untitled on next,why don't they appear as was partioned? and get the same error won't install one the 8 GB partition, because not on the first 8 GB's of hardrive??
want to install Mac OS 9 on the untitled 2,and OS X on the untitled on with 8 GB??

DeltaMac - Aug 20, 2005 - 1:32 pm

I have no idea. If you are doing OK with the actual partition process with Disk Utility, or probably Drive Setup, and choosing the make the first in the list less than 8GB, then you will be OK, ignore how the disks mount, the first one mounting is not necessarily the first partition physically. If you have created it correctly, then you are OK. Don't forget the 'less than 8GB' or you're wasting your time at this point. 7.7GB will work fine.

- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 20, 2005 - 3:12 pm

thank you,but still have same problem,Was wondering if I install OS 9 first on the larger partition,then use the startup control panel to upgrade to 9.2.2,the insert the Mac X disk then install it on the 8GB partition,or install both on same first8GB partition

DeltaMac - Aug 20, 2005 - 5:36 pm

Sorry, which problem was that?
Won't install on more than 8 GB, OR
Partitions showing incorrect lineup (which is not a problem)

OS 9 doesn't care if OS X is installed
OS X also doesn't care if OS 9 is installed.

You can try that installation, it should work just fine. OS 9 can be installed on any partition with enough space. On your computer, you have to install OS X on the small partition. If OS X install still warns you that the partition is too big, then you have to make it smaller. 7.7GB should be good, but you might have to try 7GB instead. That should work. Do you have enough memory installed. OS X must have 128MB, If you can max this iMac out at 512MB, that's even better.
- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 20, 2005 - 6:17 pm

Yes,I installed 256 MB of memory,so what you recomend? erase the the hardrive ,with the OS9 install disk ,or use the OS X drive setup to partition the drive ,make the partion a little bit under 8GB,and if it works,the restart with the OS 9 CD to install the OS 9 to the other larger partition?is possibe?

DeltaMac - Aug 20, 2005 - 6:36 pm

Yes, that should work OK
I do prefer the OS X Disk Utility, as it's simpler to setup the size of the partitions. Make the first partition 7.5 GB, that should work.
-Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 20, 2005 - 6:49 pm

thank you,4 your help,and sorry be such a pest,about it!the reason I want to upgrade to Mac OS X,is most hardware are for Mac OS X,and I heard Apple may obsolete Mac OS 9

texashiy59 - Aug 21, 2005 - 7:47 pm

so,your saying it dosen't matter what i install .first? OS X O or Mac 9,as long as I install Mac OS X on the smaller partition??

DeltaMac - Aug 21, 2005 - 9:01 pm

Yes, it doesn't matter which you install first.
However, in my experience, I usually install OS 9 first. OS 9 does not care about the size of the partition. OS X must be installed on that smaller partition.

- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 23, 2005 - 5:53 pm

Thank you for your help,got it and running in OS X,But i had trouble with Mac OS X disk utitily,so I just loaded my Mac OS 9 disk then partition it,as you,just a bit smaller than 8 gb first partition,then,i restarted w/Mac OS x installer,and no! problems,Just wondering? now about installing OS 9,on the desktop I got untitled-1 & untitled_2 and a folder ,(called desktop for (Mac OS 9) so,which one I install in ??

DeltaMac - Aug 23, 2005 - 6:15 pm

Don't install OS 9 in a folder, choose the hard drive. You will have the best results if you let it install as it wants to. The OS 9 System Folder is normally i the root directory of the drive. (that can be whichever volume you want to choose to install)
- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 23, 2005 - 7:25 pm

thank just wondering never used OS X before! didn't want to mess up.as things are working great,would you,recomend,Installing OS 9 on same partition as OS X,or on the other partition,since I only have 8GB's ,Or installing just a basic startup install with it,then install then easy install on the other? thinkig if OS X messed up.I still have OS 9 on the other partition?

DeltaMac - Aug 23, 2005 - 7:29 pm

Sounds like a good way to think. Install the OS 9 on the larger partition.

- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 24, 2005 - 11:35 am

thank you,and what do I use the (desktop Mac9 folder) for?? or do I need it??

texashiy59 - Aug 24, 2005 - 3:02 pm

well.I installed Mac OS 9 as I said I installed the disk that was sent w/ it,a Mac OS 9.1,then get a grey sceen with something about firmware 3.0 in text, When back to OS X,download all updates for OS 9,but it still won,t boot,what now!!! !!

DeltaMac - Aug 24, 2005 - 9:39 pm

Yes, you need to download and install the firmware update for your iMac
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=60384
This might be a catch-22 for you. You must boot into OS 9, running on the hard drive. to run the update.

Let me know how it goes.
- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 26, 2005 - 8:08 pm

Yes, I Just want to say,thank you,for your help,I got it working without that firmware ,I found out the I have a early iMac a tray loading,and there no firmware for it,just slot loading!but now it booting in both OS X & OS 9,heres how Idid it,just in case you,like to know? I had OS X on the first partition,& OS 9 on the second one! yes i still could work in the OS 9(,but wont boot,as I told you,but, Today I just tought about it, so,just copied the OS 9 system to the OS X partition, I open the start up disk panel,in OS X,there it was,so,i click it !!,it boooted !!so,then , Deleted the system folder in partition 2,made two folders,one MAc OSX & OS 9,and put alias of both O S X appl's & OS 9, in them,now it working fine,can use both system appl's and still boot in both systems,thank you

DeltaMac - Aug 26, 2005 - 8:12 pm

I'm glad you got your system sorted out. The link for firmware update for your system is the correct one for the latest firmware. You should verify that is what you have. It may have been updated in the past, but you should still check it out.

- Dale

texashiy59 - Aug 27, 2005 - 1:52 am

well,as they say!! If it an't broke don't fix it!! !! I 'm disabled,had several cancer operations,and I love to buy a new computer,but, I know mines a relic,but,it's been good to me, I had it since 1999,never crashed yet! several friends I know went trough bunch of PC's in 2 year, but do,thank you for everything in helping me