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glen - May 28, 2005 - 5:20 pm
Hi There,
Computer: Powerbook Lombard, 333 Mhz proc., 320 mb memory, 10 GB harddrive, OS 10.3.9, 3rd party PCMCIA wireless card, Airport hub.
Me: computers since Commodore 64, MS-DOS power user, Macs since SE 30 and OS 7.0. Learning Linux and know just enough to be dangerous at the CLI.
Problem: Getting the third party AirportModemUtility.JAR to work in a user mode other then the administrative mode.
I setup the Airport hub using my wife's Pismo and it works fine even on my Lombard if I use the Pismo to cause the hub to dial. My only problem is getting the AirportModemUtility.JAR to work in my normal user mode. It works fine in the administrative mode but I only use that mode for computer maintenance.
I have tried giving it permission to run at the CLI because the graphical stuff won't let me change it. After messing with that for awhile I realized that the program is really a document that is used by some aspect of Java. I gave applets and java permission to run in my user mode but still no luck. Now I have found buried deep in the system folder something to do with JAR but not sure enough how it works to be willing to touch it.
Respectfully,
Glen
Computer: Powerbook Lombard, 333 Mhz proc., 320 mb memory, 10 GB harddrive, OS 10.3.9, 3rd party PCMCIA wireless card, Airport hub.
Me: computers since Commodore 64, MS-DOS power user, Macs since SE 30 and OS 7.0. Learning Linux and know just enough to be dangerous at the CLI.
Problem: Getting the third party AirportModemUtility.JAR to work in a user mode other then the administrative mode.
I setup the Airport hub using my wife's Pismo and it works fine even on my Lombard if I use the Pismo to cause the hub to dial. My only problem is getting the AirportModemUtility.JAR to work in my normal user mode. It works fine in the administrative mode but I only use that mode for computer maintenance.
I have tried giving it permission to run at the CLI because the graphical stuff won't let me change it. After messing with that for awhile I realized that the program is really a document that is used by some aspect of Java. I gave applets and java permission to run in my user mode but still no luck. Now I have found buried deep in the system folder something to do with JAR but not sure enough how it works to be willing to touch it.
Respectfully,
Glen
DeltaMac - May 28, 2005 - 7:26 pm
You have found one of the limitations, and it is a limitation, of using a restricted account for normal use. You just can't configure everything, that is what an admin user is for. It's a good thing that an admin user for OS X is not what some people consider an admin user, and that is the next level, which is root user. Apple does not recommend using that level except on rare uses, as it's really easy to completely screw up the system.
The normal default level of an administrative user will not allow some functions either, but at least you can use and configure all your software.
You shouldn't ever need the root user, even for system maintenance. Using SUDO will allow any root user function, so the Admin level sounds best for you.
The normal default level of an administrative user will not allow some functions either, but at least you can use and configure all your software.
You shouldn't ever need the root user, even for system maintenance. Using SUDO will allow any root user function, so the Admin level sounds best for you.
glen - May 29, 2005 - 6:52 am
HI Delta Mac D,
I guess I did not express myself clearly, so this time I will try to be more concise.
What I wish to do is use my administrative account to allow my restricted user account to use AirportModemUtility.jar. So far I have not been able to accomplish this.
Respectfully, Glen
I guess I did not express myself clearly, so this time I will try to be more concise.
What I wish to do is use my administrative account to allow my restricted user account to use AirportModemUtility.jar. So far I have not been able to accomplish this.
Respectfully, Glen
DeltaMac - May 29, 2005 - 1:38 pm
How often do you need to use your Airport Admin Utility? I only use it maybe twice a year at most.
Just Login as an admin when you need to open that.
You should try repairing permissions on your boot drive, if you think that the permissions have been modified too much. That should reset those that have been changed, to defaults.
You can also use a chown command from the terminal if you want to assure that all files in a user's folder are owned by the user. This can help, especially if files and apps have been copied from one user to another.
Come back if you need help with that.
I know this is not giving you direct help, but I think the system will not let you do what you want in this instance. You may want to make sure the system is set back to a normal permissions/ownership....
- Dale
Just Login as an admin when you need to open that.
You should try repairing permissions on your boot drive, if you think that the permissions have been modified too much. That should reset those that have been changed, to defaults.
You can also use a chown command from the terminal if you want to assure that all files in a user's folder are owned by the user. This can help, especially if files and apps have been copied from one user to another.
Come back if you need help with that.
I know this is not giving you direct help, but I think the system will not let you do what you want in this instance. You may want to make sure the system is set back to a normal permissions/ownership....
- Dale
glen - May 29, 2005 - 3:25 pm
Hi Dale,
It is not the Airport Admin Utility that I am talking about, it is the AirportModemUtility.jar. This is a utility that allows a computer that is using 3rd party wireless card and software to cause an Airport Hub to dial a phone number for dialup access to the ISP. I will be using it a couple of times/day if I can get it working from my Normal User. I do not do Internet or any other normal stuff from the Admin User.
The AirportModemUtility.jar has something to do with Java. I suspect that Java has something to do with why I get a "not authorised to use" message when I try to run it from the Normal User. I think I have found the heart and soul of Java deep in the system folder but don't know enough about those files to risk messing with owner/permissions of those files.
Respectfully, Glen
It is not the Airport Admin Utility that I am talking about, it is the AirportModemUtility.jar. This is a utility that allows a computer that is using 3rd party wireless card and software to cause an Airport Hub to dial a phone number for dialup access to the ISP. I will be using it a couple of times/day if I can get it working from my Normal User. I do not do Internet or any other normal stuff from the Admin User.
The AirportModemUtility.jar has something to do with Java. I suspect that Java has something to do with why I get a "not authorised to use" message when I try to run it from the Normal User. I think I have found the heart and soul of Java deep in the system folder but don't know enough about those files to risk messing with owner/permissions of those files.
Respectfully, Glen
DeltaMac - May 29, 2005 - 3:51 pm
Ah, OK - - It would help if I actually had read through your first post. I was very much misunderstanding the question.
What help can you get from the developer of the .jar file?
I assume you have installed whatever updates are available for 10.3.9 and Java. (Java was certainly one thing that got very cranky with the 10.3.9 update)
You're not configuring anything, you just want to connect using a third party wireless card, through an Airport base station and dial-up. Do I have it now?
And if you try to use that on a non-admin account, it refuses because you can't get permission to do that. Am I still OK ?
And you don't want to leave that account as an Admin user, am I still with you?
But, the Java app probably can't work without that Admin access, which leaves you with a dilemma, although not much of one. The fix is: give the account admin access. Seems simple enough, but I guess you don't want someone else who doesn't want to accept training to have access to this as an admin?? Am I very far off?
Good Luck
- Dale
What help can you get from the developer of the .jar file?
I assume you have installed whatever updates are available for 10.3.9 and Java. (Java was certainly one thing that got very cranky with the 10.3.9 update)
You're not configuring anything, you just want to connect using a third party wireless card, through an Airport base station and dial-up. Do I have it now?
And if you try to use that on a non-admin account, it refuses because you can't get permission to do that. Am I still OK ?
And you don't want to leave that account as an Admin user, am I still with you?
But, the Java app probably can't work without that Admin access, which leaves you with a dilemma, although not much of one. The fix is: give the account admin access. Seems simple enough, but I guess you don't want someone else who doesn't want to accept training to have access to this as an admin?? Am I very far off?
Good Luck
- Dale
glen - May 30, 2005 - 8:21 am
Hi Dale,
Yep, you got the problem nailed down now. I hadn't thought of seeing if the developer had a solution, guess just a brain glitch. I will chase down that avenue a bit. I just checked and I have all the updates for Java.
Respectfully, Glen
Yep, you got the problem nailed down now. I hadn't thought of seeing if the developer had a solution, guess just a brain glitch. I will chase down that avenue a bit. I just checked and I have all the updates for Java.
Respectfully, Glen
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