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| DATE | Oct 24, 2007 |
| TICKET | #334790 |
| STATUS | Closed |
| SUBJECT | reloading OSX |
| CAT | Computers, Operating Systems, Applications or Connected Devices |
| TYPE | Operating System Features, Bugs and Problems |
| DESC | Apple |
| DESC | 10.3.X (Panther) |
| PLATFORM | Apple Macintosh (PowerPC G3,G4,G5) |
| MODEL | mac |
| PROC | |
| RAM | |
| DRIVE | |
| NAME | jeff |
| USERNAME | jeffsedlak |
| TECHNICAL | Little Experience |
| ISSUE | Some Troubleshooting |
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TICKET ARCHIVE -> reloading OSX
jeffsedlak - Oct 24, 2007 - 2:51 pm
my drives are partitioned, the volumn my start up disk is on is now too small, I get error messages. I do have a volume large enough for the start up disk. I am trying to reinstall 10.3 on that volume but I want to keep my preferences etc. I have tried this a couple of times and can not figure out how to do this.
nhmac - Oct 25, 2007 - 8:54 am
Check out Carbon Copy Cloner from Bombich Software.
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
With CCC you can make a bootable clone of your startup disk; I suggest repairing permissions first, and make sure you have the option checked to make bootable. The download link for the 10.3 version is towards the bottom of the page. Let me know how it goes.
--Beverly
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
With CCC you can make a bootable clone of your startup disk; I suggest repairing permissions first, and make sure you have the option checked to make bootable. The download link for the 10.3 version is towards the bottom of the page. Let me know how it goes.
--Beverly
jeffsedlak - Oct 25, 2007 - 10:24 pm
Hi Beverly,
Thanks for responding! I tried CCC copying the startup disk to a partition on the same physical drive, but it would not boot. It tried but got hung up. I did not see the boot able option box so I don't know if it was checked or not. I will try again - busy working until Sunday. Does it make a difference if he 'Carbon Copy' is on the same physical drive or not? I think the problem was with the administer password issue. I did get a pop up asking for the ID and password but it would not take my password. How do I "repair permissions"?
jeff
Thanks for responding! I tried CCC copying the startup disk to a partition on the same physical drive, but it would not boot. It tried but got hung up. I did not see the boot able option box so I don't know if it was checked or not. I will try again - busy working until Sunday. Does it make a difference if he 'Carbon Copy' is on the same physical drive or not? I think the problem was with the administer password issue. I did get a pop up asking for the ID and password but it would not take my password. How do I "repair permissions"?
jeff
jeffsedlak - Oct 25, 2007 - 11:04 pm
Hi Beverly,
Thanks for responding! I tried CCC copying the startup disk to a partition on the same physical drive, but it would not boot. It tried but got hung up. I did not see the boot able option box so I don't know if it was checked or not. I will try again - busy working until Sunday. Does it make a difference if he 'Carbon Copy' is on the same physical drive or not? I think the problem was with the administer password issue. I did get a pop up asking for the ID and password but it would not take my password. How do I "repair permissions"?
jeff
Thanks for responding! I tried CCC copying the startup disk to a partition on the same physical drive, but it would not boot. It tried but got hung up. I did not see the boot able option box so I don't know if it was checked or not. I will try again - busy working until Sunday. Does it make a difference if he 'Carbon Copy' is on the same physical drive or not? I think the problem was with the administer password issue. I did get a pop up asking for the ID and password but it would not take my password. How do I "repair permissions"?
jeff
nhmac - Oct 26, 2007 - 9:03 am
What version # of CCC did you get? There should be settings to make the clone bootable, and you can repair permissions first using Disk Utility if you don't see an option for CCC to do it for you. You do need to enter your admin password also, and that should be the same one you use to log in to your (admin) account in OS X.
--Beverly
--Beverly
jeffsedlak - Oct 26, 2007 - 10:40 pm
Beverly,
My CCC is 2.3 the "Make Bootable" was checked. There is a box "psync is not installed, click here to install" - What is that?
Also an unchecked box "create a disk image on a target" - What is that asking?
I just found out we have a large external hard drive at work that I can borrow. What do you think of the plan to CCC over everything on both my hard drives, get rid of all the partitions, and CCC everything back? Trouble is, I was not the one that set up the partitions, and I am not sure I can figure out how to get rid of them.
My CCC is 2.3 the "Make Bootable" was checked. There is a box "psync is not installed, click here to install" - What is that?
Also an unchecked box "create a disk image on a target" - What is that asking?
I just found out we have a large external hard drive at work that I can borrow. What do you think of the plan to CCC over everything on both my hard drives, get rid of all the partitions, and CCC everything back? Trouble is, I was not the one that set up the partitions, and I am not sure I can figure out how to get rid of them.
nhmac - Oct 27, 2007 - 9:01 am
Unless it's a firewire drive moving back and forth to the external drive (via USB) could be very slow.
These 2 drives (or partitions) you have -- how much data and free space, and what OS (if any) is on each one? (You can "Get Info" on the drive icon and it will tell you the space used and free.)
Getting rid of partitions is easy, takes 1 minute in Disk Utility, it's just that you have to make really certain you've backed up all your data because the data will disappear when you reformat the drive.
The first thing to make certain of is the permissions issue: make sure you have fixed the permissions before cloning the drive. If CCC doesn't end up able to clone the drive successfully, there's also other free backup software that may work, but you need the permissions fixed first.
From the CCC Help pages (you might want to read through these as there's a lot of good info there), re cloning OS X:
#1 Make sure the "Ignore privileges on this volume" setting is not checked for your source or target volume (Note: this setting is called "Ignore ownership on this volume" in Jaguar). To check this setting, click on the target volume, choose "Show Info" or "Get Info" from the File menu in the Finder and select the Privileges menu (Jaguar: click the disclosure triangle next to ownership and permissions). Make sure the box at the bottom is NOT checked, otherwise permissions and ownership settings will not be preserved, no matter what tool you use to copy files.
#2 Run Disk Utility on the target and source volumes before cloning. This is not required, but is a good idea to avoid disk or directory-related problems during cloning.
--Beverly
These 2 drives (or partitions) you have -- how much data and free space, and what OS (if any) is on each one? (You can "Get Info" on the drive icon and it will tell you the space used and free.)
Getting rid of partitions is easy, takes 1 minute in Disk Utility, it's just that you have to make really certain you've backed up all your data because the data will disappear when you reformat the drive.
The first thing to make certain of is the permissions issue: make sure you have fixed the permissions before cloning the drive. If CCC doesn't end up able to clone the drive successfully, there's also other free backup software that may work, but you need the permissions fixed first.
From the CCC Help pages (you might want to read through these as there's a lot of good info there), re cloning OS X:
#1 Make sure the "Ignore privileges on this volume" setting is not checked for your source or target volume (Note: this setting is called "Ignore ownership on this volume" in Jaguar). To check this setting, click on the target volume, choose "Show Info" or "Get Info" from the File menu in the Finder and select the Privileges menu (Jaguar: click the disclosure triangle next to ownership and permissions). Make sure the box at the bottom is NOT checked, otherwise permissions and ownership settings will not be preserved, no matter what tool you use to copy files.
#2 Run Disk Utility on the target and source volumes before cloning. This is not required, but is a good idea to avoid disk or directory-related problems during cloning.
--Beverly
jeffsedlak - Oct 28, 2007 - 11:00 pm
In my G4 I have two physical drives: One 9.6GB drive with 4 partitions and one 55.9Gb drive with 6 partitions. The O.S. is on the larger drive in a patition with 7.3GB, I have only 436.0 MB free! Most of the other drive are free or have a very old attempt at a back-up on them.
I do not understand what permissions are or their relevance.
The external hard drive I can borrow was used on a mac in our advertising office so I am sure it has firewire. The weather was too nice today to work on this problem - my next chance will e my day off Wednesday.
jeff
I do not understand what permissions are or their relevance.
The external hard drive I can borrow was used on a mac in our advertising office so I am sure it has firewire. The weather was too nice today to work on this problem - my next chance will e my day off Wednesday.
jeff
jeffsedlak - Oct 28, 2007 - 11:10 pm
RE:
CCC is exactly what I would recommend - but to make sure it really works right I have found this little tool very very helpful
http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/pseudo.html
Basically you open that and drop the ccc into it and it makes it run as root...
Will this work for my O.S., 10.3.9?
CCC is exactly what I would recommend - but to make sure it really works right I have found this little tool very very helpful
http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/pseudo.html
Basically you open that and drop the ccc into it and it makes it run as root...
Will this work for my O.S., 10.3.9?
nhmac - Oct 30, 2007 - 6:16 pm
I have never used that and don't know that I would try it. Root can be risky. You should be able to run CC and get a bootable drive without that.
--Beverly
--Beverly
jeffsedlak - Oct 31, 2007 - 11:04 am
beverly,
It is Wed. my day off. Tried CCC onto an external drive I borrowed, many questions in CCC I couldn't answer like "Create a disk image on the target" I did not check the box. It appears that the O.S. copied OK, I changed the start up disk to the O.S. on the external drive and the system booted ok. Will move the data partition next, then O.S.9.
After I remove the partitions on my internal drives (2) what is the best way to get everything back on these drives? After removing the partitions, will the O.S. still be on the drive? should I delete it and use CCC to copy everything back over from the borrowed external drive?
jeff
It is Wed. my day off. Tried CCC onto an external drive I borrowed, many questions in CCC I couldn't answer like "Create a disk image on the target" I did not check the box. It appears that the O.S. copied OK, I changed the start up disk to the O.S. on the external drive and the system booted ok. Will move the data partition next, then O.S.9.
After I remove the partitions on my internal drives (2) what is the best way to get everything back on these drives? After removing the partitions, will the O.S. still be on the drive? should I delete it and use CCC to copy everything back over from the borrowed external drive?
jeff
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