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| DATE | Jan 12, 2008 |
| TICKET | #335618 |
| STATUS | Closed |
| SUBJECT | Should I try this? |
| CAT | Computers, Operating Systems, Applications or Connected Devices |
| TYPE | Operating System Features, Bugs and Problems |
| DESC | Apple |
| DESC | 10.3.X (Panther) |
| PLATFORM | Apple Macintosh (PowerPC G3,G4,G5) |
| MODEL | Quicksilver |
| PROC | dual 1gig |
| RAM | 1024 |
| DRIVE | 80gig |
| NAME | Rick |
| USERNAME | rickd1010 |
| TECHNICAL | Lots of Experience |
| ISSUE | Need Advice |
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TICKET ARCHIVE -> Should I try this?
rickd1010 - Jan 12, 2008 - 1:10 pm
I have been having issues with my finder in OS10.2.8 for some time now. (see software forum-Help I can't access my applications) I have just gotten a copy of 10.3 and am hoping that I can upgrade my OS and remedy the problem. I know that the real answer is probably to do a clean install of the new OS but I am unsure as t ohow to back up allmy software so that I can reload it and have it working on the new platform.
At this point any advice would be appreciated.
Thnx for your time.
Rick Day
At this point any advice would be appreciated.
Thnx for your time.
Rick Day
earthsaver - Jan 12, 2008 - 3:33 pm
"Clean Install" doesn't imply "Erase & Install." In the days of OS 9, it meant moving the old System Folder out of the way and putting a new one in its place, which in OS X has been renamed "Archive & Install."
When you startup from the Panther disc, click Options on the screen when you select the destination and choose Archive & Install, ensuring that Preserve Users & Network Settings is checked. None of your applications will be touched and your user account and data will remain as well. Only your System folder will be replaced.
- Ben
When you startup from the Panther disc, click Options on the screen when you select the destination and choose Archive & Install, ensuring that Preserve Users & Network Settings is checked. None of your applications will be touched and your user account and data will remain as well. Only your System folder will be replaced.
- Ben
rickd1010 - Jan 12, 2008 - 4:00 pm
Thnx for the quick come back. I feel much more comfortable with the install now. I have to admit that after all the years in the old format, I simply have not had the time to explore OS X in depth. So when issues like this arise I tend to panic a bit. I suppose that after I have used it for as many years as I did the older platform (i started out with - ummmmm- I think it was like maybe 4) I won't get quite as anxious about things.
Thnx again!
Rick
Thnx again!
Rick
rickd1010 - Jan 12, 2008 - 4:01 pm
rickd1010 - Jan 12, 2008 - 5:09 pm
I just tried your suggestion and it appears that my problems go deeper then I thought. Before I tried to install, I ran the Disk repair and was told that there were errors that could not be fixed. I tried to install anyway hoping that it was a software problem but I don't think so now. THe installer cannot verify the destination so it will not install. What is your guess now?
Thnx
Rick
Thnx
Rick
earthsaver - Jan 12, 2008 - 7:11 pm
Problems that Disk Utility cannot fix can be repaired by a third party utility like DiskWarrior. Short of buying this top-notch app, you really need to get an external hard disk and back up your data. I recommend drives from Other World Computing. At best, clone everything (Carbon Copy Cloner is your best choice) and then do an Erase & Install of Panther.
Side note: You have such a good computer. Why are you sticking to 10.3 instead of investing in a license to Leopard (10.5)?
Side note: You have such a good computer. Why are you sticking to 10.3 instead of investing in a license to Leopard (10.5)?
rickd1010 - Jan 13, 2008 - 9:58 am
I just looked up DiskWarrior in Version Tracker and it had this to say: "DiskWarrior is not a disk repair program in the conventional sense. Instead of patching the original directory, it uses a patent-pending technology to quickly build a new replacement directory using data recovered from the original directory, thereby recovering files, folders and documents that you thought were lost and that no other program could recover." I know that this is a $100 program and before I spend that much I would lke to be sure that this is what I need.
Answer to side note: I use my Mac for audio production and most of my work is in Audacity. If I upgrade too far too fast, I'm afraid that I might lose volumes of original music.
Answer to side note: I use my Mac for audio production and most of my work is in Audacity. If I upgrade too far too fast, I'm afraid that I might lose volumes of original music.
earthsaver - Jan 13, 2008 - 10:50 pm
I wonder what that user would say is a "disk repair program in the conventional sense." Truly, if there are hardware problems with a hard disk, DiskWarrior will not fix them. Nor, though, will Disk Utility, which also only fixes software problems, as those with the hierarchical arrangement of files and their content on the disk. When Disk Utility cannot repair such a problem, there are two choices: (1) use a utility such as DiskWarrior that can, or (2) erase the hard disk, reinstall the OS, and restore the data.
One possible problem with the latter choice is that there may be corrupt files on your hard disk that will not get copied properly in said restoration because of this damage and the only viable way to fix it is with DiskWarrior or a similar utility. Secondly, I have used DW at least half a dozen times over the years on different users' Macs and always had success. DW seems to do a better and faster job at this because it rebuilds and replaces the directory structure rather than repairing it.
Regarding side note: As long as Audacity is still compatible with a newer version of OS X, what is your concern? Data files will stay as they are and it's rare that a newer version of an application isn't compatible with or capable of upgrading files created in an older version of the app. Now, truthfully, it looks like the latest version of Audacity is fully supported under Tiger and there is some slowness in developing the later version which will be supported under Leopard.
One possible problem with the latter choice is that there may be corrupt files on your hard disk that will not get copied properly in said restoration because of this damage and the only viable way to fix it is with DiskWarrior or a similar utility. Secondly, I have used DW at least half a dozen times over the years on different users' Macs and always had success. DW seems to do a better and faster job at this because it rebuilds and replaces the directory structure rather than repairing it.
Regarding side note: As long as Audacity is still compatible with a newer version of OS X, what is your concern? Data files will stay as they are and it's rare that a newer version of an application isn't compatible with or capable of upgrading files created in an older version of the app. Now, truthfully, it looks like the latest version of Audacity is fully supported under Tiger and there is some slowness in developing the later version which will be supported under Leopard.
rickd1010 - Jan 14, 2008 - 1:19 pm
OK the "conventional sense" quote came directly from the DiskWarrior site. It doesn't matter what does it as long as I get my system back up and running as it should be. I am not going toquibble about things now. I ran the Apple Hardware Disk and there is no problem in the hardware department, so we are talking all software/OS issues. While we have been trying to figure this out I lost my entire Dock, and I have gotten prompts that is is still running and needs to be turned off. Any suggestions there??? I can't find any way to toggle it off. I inadvertently went to an application that requires classis mode and the Dock simply disappeared. That was really the only link that I had left to my HD. I have had to reinstall both Thunderbird and Firefox and leave them on the desktop in order to get back online to even read your reply. Finances will keep me from being able to get DiskWarrior before the coming weekend @ the earliest so I am simply trying to keep this thing alive until then. BTW, there is the other reason that I cannot move up to the new OS @ present. I would do a diskfix from safe but the fact that the dock is running seems to be keeping me from getting there. Once again any suggestions woudl be very appreciated.
Thnx
Rick
Thnx
Rick
earthsaver - Jan 14, 2008 - 2:50 pm
Only link left to your hard disk? What happens if you click on the Desktop to activate the Finder and then open a new Finder window (File menu or Command+N), Then you have access to everything on your hard disk. Dock hiding toggle is Command+Option+D, but if it's really been quit and you need to restart it, you can find it in /System/Library/CoreServices.
Can you not quit/force quit the classic app? Force quit is universally Command+Option+Esc and in the OS X Apple menu.
What is a diskfix from safe and what's it have to do with the Dock?
Can you not quit/force quit the classic app? Force quit is universally Command+Option+Esc and in the OS X Apple menu.
What is a diskfix from safe and what's it have to do with the Dock?
rickd1010 - Jan 15, 2008 - 11:17 am
I just tried your suggestion and it also did not work. When I said that my dock was the last link to my hard drive, that is exactly what I meant. If you go back to my original posts in the software forums, you will see that I am unable to access my hard drive or any of my applications from the desktop or the dock. If I click on the hard drive it will open, but when I click on the applications folder the entire desktop crashes, nothing happens, everything flashes and finally, the desktop comes back but nothing else. This is my original problem. So the problem with the dock is catastrophic in that the only applications that I could access were located in the dock. Now I cannot get to any of them. I can assure you that this is not some simple problem and I am not a casual or new Mac user. This is a major problem. The last time I had a problem of this magnitude was when my original Version 1 of OS X had a kernal panic issue and completely shut me down. I am trying ot keep something like that from happening again. I can also not access the system folder so getting to the library isi not going to work either.
Someone in this forum had me enter "safe" mode by restarting and holding down the "S" key then entering a code like FDSK-X or something of that sort. I was considering trying to do that again in the attempt to restore my desktop and dock, but because of the dock application running, I guess, I can't get to safe mode.
When I went to the finder and got a new window, as you said, the hard drive, network, the OS X install disk that I have in my CD drive in case everything crashes and I need an emergency boot disk, and the reinstalled thunderbird that I am using to continue this correspondence, show up, but when I click on the HD icon it's the same thing. the desktop flashes, the finder restarts, and i cannot get into the HD.
I am still planning to get DiskWarrior over the weekend in the hopes that I can resolve these issues, but in the meantime and and all suggestions that will restore or retain any functionality to my system re appreciated.
Rick
Someone in this forum had me enter "safe" mode by restarting and holding down the "S" key then entering a code like FDSK-X or something of that sort. I was considering trying to do that again in the attempt to restore my desktop and dock, but because of the dock application running, I guess, I can't get to safe mode.
When I went to the finder and got a new window, as you said, the hard drive, network, the OS X install disk that I have in my CD drive in case everything crashes and I need an emergency boot disk, and the reinstalled thunderbird that I am using to continue this correspondence, show up, but when I click on the HD icon it's the same thing. the desktop flashes, the finder restarts, and i cannot get into the HD.
I am still planning to get DiskWarrior over the weekend in the hopes that I can resolve these issues, but in the meantime and and all suggestions that will restore or retain any functionality to my system re appreciated.
Rick
earthsaver - Jan 16, 2008 - 9:15 am
When the system gets to a stuck place like this, I'm always forced to shut down (hold power button for five or six seconds) and restart. That would be the way to get to safe mode (holding shift at startup) or single user mode (holding Command+S). For the latter, the command is
fsck -fy
To restart, I recommend
shutdown -r now
fsck -fy
To restart, I recommend
shutdown -r now
rickd1010 - Jan 17, 2008 - 10:24 am
Sorry - I ran out of time and had to go to work before I could get back yesterday. I tried everything that was suggested in teh past post, but am no better off. I am still hoping to get Disk Warrior this weekend, but I live in an area that is going to require over an hour to get to a worthwhile computer store. In the meantime I am still more then open and willing ot try any suggestions that anyone can give. At this point I don't have alot to lose.
Thnx,
Rick
Thnx,
Rick
earthsaver - Jan 17, 2008 - 12:42 pm
In that case, I'll for now reopen your question to see if other techs have new ideas. I or someone else will help you complete the process.
rickd1010 - Jan 18, 2008 - 10:24 am
Thnx so much for keeping this open for me. For the most part all the responses have given me some direction to go with and I can assure you that all of the suggestions tried. The issue has still not been resolved, so I am still more then open to suggestions. I still cannot help but feel that this is a software (mainly a problem with the finder) Since I have Tiger right here and waiting, maybe the right way to go would be to just backup all my applications to DVD and wipe the HD and start over. OF course my biggest worry here is loading my applications in such a manor that I can reinstall them with out having to pick and choose stuff from everywhere under the sun the way it used to be in the older operating systems before OS X
rickd1010 - Jan 18, 2008 - 1:12 pm
I'm a little confused unless the notice I just received is an auto-response thing. I am still trying to get my system back up and running and posted a new post earlier this AM.
Please keep my issue alive until I can get my system working correstly again
Thnx,
Rick
Please keep my issue alive until I can get my system working correstly again
Thnx,
Rick
rickd1010 - Jan 20, 2008 - 10:41 am
I should probably add that right now I have 17.17gigs used on my HD. It won't let me check the size of my applications folder however. IT blew me right back to the desktop when I tried to check it. MY Files and folders other then the applications could be put on another DVD and reinstalled latetr also. The main concern that I have is just getting everything that needs to be put together to get all my applications to function again after I Reformat the HD. I am thinking about burning the whole system folder to DVD, then doing the same with my applications and finally my work foldersI do have backups of mmost of my applications, but I am just not in a hurry to go through al that if I don't have to. Please me know if this is a do-able situation.
Thnx, Rick
Thnx, Rick
Cheryl - Jan 20, 2008 - 4:57 pm
Rick,
It sounds like you have a very corrupt system folder or a hard drive that has some bad blocks where files are being stored. The trouble is, it is hard to determine which. (or your hard drive is close to being full).
If you can get to your home folder where you have those important files, I highly recommend that you back them up. You can try using a thumb drive (USB flash drive) and just drag and drop them to the drive. Or you could burn your files to a DVD if you think your machine can handle it.
What devices do you have plugged into your computer? Try restarting the computer with only the keyboard & mouse connected. Also - if you are using a wireless keyboard, find the wired keyboard and use that.
Once you have your important files backed up and you find all your install disks for your programs (i.e. Audacity) you can use the Tiger - 10.4 - install disk to wipe the drive and start clean. I suggest you use Disk Utility to do the erase (you can get there from the menu after you select your language after the restart with the 10.4 disk). Make sure you disconnect any Firewire devices before you start up with the 10.4 disk.
Let me know how you do and if you need more assistance.
Cheryl
It sounds like you have a very corrupt system folder or a hard drive that has some bad blocks where files are being stored. The trouble is, it is hard to determine which. (or your hard drive is close to being full).
If you can get to your home folder where you have those important files, I highly recommend that you back them up. You can try using a thumb drive (USB flash drive) and just drag and drop them to the drive. Or you could burn your files to a DVD if you think your machine can handle it.
What devices do you have plugged into your computer? Try restarting the computer with only the keyboard & mouse connected. Also - if you are using a wireless keyboard, find the wired keyboard and use that.
Once you have your important files backed up and you find all your install disks for your programs (i.e. Audacity) you can use the Tiger - 10.4 - install disk to wipe the drive and start clean. I suggest you use Disk Utility to do the erase (you can get there from the menu after you select your language after the restart with the 10.4 disk). Make sure you disconnect any Firewire devices before you start up with the 10.4 disk.
Let me know how you do and if you need more assistance.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Jan 23, 2008 - 8:54 am
Sorry I didn't get back on yesterday, but it was one of those days. I am agreeing that it is a very corrupted system folder. As I was reading back over the past post from you ppl I had this flash. Why can't I just start from the boot disk, trash the system folder and reinstall Tiger over it? The way things keep blowing up and throwing me back out to the desktop, I'm not sure what if anything I can get to or save from my system folder, but I am sure there are some things that I should try to get before I do something like this. I would suppose I should try and grab the Library folder for sure, if at all possible. Let me know if this is possible or not.
Thnx,
Rick
Thnx,
Rick
rickd1010 - Jan 23, 2008 - 8:57 am
OH, I only have a printer hooked up to the system right now. I disconnected my Tascam US 122 when all this started. So the only peripheral I have connected right now is an Epson Stylus Photo 820 printer.
Cheryl - Jan 23, 2008 - 6:20 pm
Rick,
Starting from the OS X disk is not the same as it was back in OS 7,8 or 9. You will not be able to 'see' the hard drive to grab things off the hard drive.
You want to save your important files from your home (your user) folder not the system folder. Do you have a back up of your files from the home folder?
You stated that you were going to get Disk Warrior. Did you get it yet?
I would start up the computer with the Disk Warrior disk and allow it to repair the drive and the files.
Your other alternative is to use the Tiger disk to start up the computer, use Disk Utility to erase and format the drive (select your language and then go to the utilities/Tools menu), then install Tiger. This is starting completely over with no programs or files saved.
The longer you wait and continue to try to use the computer, it may get worse.
Cheryl
Starting from the OS X disk is not the same as it was back in OS 7,8 or 9. You will not be able to 'see' the hard drive to grab things off the hard drive.
You want to save your important files from your home (your user) folder not the system folder. Do you have a back up of your files from the home folder?
You stated that you were going to get Disk Warrior. Did you get it yet?
I would start up the computer with the Disk Warrior disk and allow it to repair the drive and the files.
Your other alternative is to use the Tiger disk to start up the computer, use Disk Utility to erase and format the drive (select your language and then go to the utilities/Tools menu), then install Tiger. This is starting completely over with no programs or files saved.
The longer you wait and continue to try to use the computer, it may get worse.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Jan 24, 2008 - 12:21 pm
I was afraid of that. THe DiskWarrior thing had to take a back burner for the next couple of weeks for lack of funds. I have tried to keep from bbringing personal stuff to this but they system problems could not have happened @ a worse time. We are in the process of moving, my job is slowed down right now sp that getting 40 hours a week is doubtful, etc, etc, etc. So hereI am - fumbling to try and repair my OS with what I have at hand and the hopes that you guys can come up with a viable answer.
OK, enought blues! I am still working on the DiskWarrior thing. I found my Apple Care disk for the IMac(the other system in the house), but it appears to only work with OS 9. I am still looking thru old CD's in the hopes that i have a OS X version of Tech Tool or something not Norton related that will help restore my software.
Once again, any advice is more then welcome.
Thnx,
Rick
OK, enought blues! I am still working on the DiskWarrior thing. I found my Apple Care disk for the IMac(the other system in the house), but it appears to only work with OS 9. I am still looking thru old CD's in the hopes that i have a OS X version of Tech Tool or something not Norton related that will help restore my software.
Once again, any advice is more then welcome.
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Jan 24, 2008 - 11:00 pm
Rick,
I do know what you mean about a 'tight' household. I do not have any other suggestions other than erase and format the drive, then install a fresh new OS.
This is where your 20/20 eyesight comes after the fact. You should have been backing up your files.
One thing - in all the past post on this ticket, I didn't read that you tried to do the archive & preserve install. You can try that and see if anything is better. Archive & preserve will not touch your files.
Cheryl
I do know what you mean about a 'tight' household. I do not have any other suggestions other than erase and format the drive, then install a fresh new OS.
This is where your 20/20 eyesight comes after the fact. You should have been backing up your files.
One thing - in all the past post on this ticket, I didn't read that you tried to do the archive & preserve install. You can try that and see if anything is better. Archive & preserve will not touch your files.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Jan 25, 2008 - 9:25 am
Cheryl,
Archive and Preserve? I am guessing that this is a choice on teh Tiger install disk- right? I must have missed that one. I will check that out as soon as I"m done with this reply. Nothing to say about the back-up issue. Guess I'm like 99% of home users - lol. Work is a very different thing, but the home system......
I was planning on asking what would happen if I started up in OS 9 and went to the OS X folder from there. My computer will let me access from there -, but of course, i can't run anything that isn't an OS 9 app. Being an old Mac user I have saved my files in the application folders instead of in the "handy" Home files. Maybe that wasn't such a good idea but old habits, etc. Will copying the "Home" folder really be of much help? I think I can burn that off onto a DVD - I'll check.
I'll let you know what hapens with the Archive & Preserve attempt.
Thnx again,
Rick
Archive and Preserve? I am guessing that this is a choice on teh Tiger install disk- right? I must have missed that one. I will check that out as soon as I"m done with this reply. Nothing to say about the back-up issue. Guess I'm like 99% of home users - lol. Work is a very different thing, but the home system......
I was planning on asking what would happen if I started up in OS 9 and went to the OS X folder from there. My computer will let me access from there -, but of course, i can't run anything that isn't an OS 9 app. Being an old Mac user I have saved my files in the application folders instead of in the "handy" Home files. Maybe that wasn't such a good idea but old habits, etc. Will copying the "Home" folder really be of much help? I think I can burn that off onto a DVD - I'll check.
I'll let you know what hapens with the Archive & Preserve attempt.
Thnx again,
Rick
rickd1010 - Jan 25, 2008 - 10:21 am
Cheryl,
I gave it a try and still no luck. the installer said there were errors and suggested I retry the intsall, so I restarted and tried again and had the same thing happen. So I guess the options are not good. It looks like it's gotta be a full clean and install. - Sigh!
I'll wait for a bit to see if there is anything else that can be done or if a copy of DislWarrior falls out of the sky or something.
Thnkx,
Rick
I gave it a try and still no luck. the installer said there were errors and suggested I retry the intsall, so I restarted and tried again and had the same thing happen. So I guess the options are not good. It looks like it's gotta be a full clean and install. - Sigh!
I'll wait for a bit to see if there is anything else that can be done or if a copy of DislWarrior falls out of the sky or something.
Thnkx,
Rick
Cheryl - Jan 25, 2008 - 5:36 pm
Rick,
I did not know you still have OS 9 installed! Yes, you can start up in OS 9, then if the system lets you - you can back up your files.
Now - when you do an erase, it will erase all of OS 9 as well as those apps. You might want to back up those as well if you do want to re-install OS 9.
Start up from your Mac OS X Install DVD. Select your language.
Before clicking on the installer screen, go to the Installer menu and select Disk Utility.
Click on the second hard drive icon in the side bar, then click on the Erase tab. Select Mac OS Extended Journaled as the format then allow it to erase the drive. Make sure you click on Include OS 9 Drivers. If you don't you will not be able to install OS 9 later.
Now click on First Aid and then Repair Disk.
Watch the activity screen. If it does any repairs - you will need to click on the Repair Disk button a second time after the first pass is done. The object is to make sure it finds all the problems and repairs them. You may need to hit that button a third or fourth time to get no references to repairs made.
When done, quit Disk Utility.
The Welcome to the Mac OS X Installer window appears.
Click Continue. The Important Information window appears.
After reading or printing the information, click Continue. The Software License Agreement window appears.
After reading or printing the information, click Continue.
An agreement sheet appears. If you agree with the license agreement, click Agree. The Select a Destination window appears.
Click the volume that you wish to install to.
Click Continue to begin the installation.
After restart, and you set up your user, go to the Utilities folder and start up Disk Utility to repair permissions.
Now your system is 10.4.0. You will want to use Software Update in System Preferences to get all the updates. It should give you the 10.4.11 Combo.
When that is done and you restart, use Disk Utility to repair permissions.
Now you need to install your programs as well as OS 9.
As for an Archive install - for future reference:
After selecting the drive to install on:
Click Options. The installation options sheet appears.
Select Archive and Install.
Select the volume which already has Mac OS X installed.
You should also select Preserve Users and Network Settings, to preserve network and Home directory settings.
Click OK.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl
I did not know you still have OS 9 installed! Yes, you can start up in OS 9, then if the system lets you - you can back up your files.
Now - when you do an erase, it will erase all of OS 9 as well as those apps. You might want to back up those as well if you do want to re-install OS 9.
Start up from your Mac OS X Install DVD. Select your language.
Before clicking on the installer screen, go to the Installer menu and select Disk Utility.
Click on the second hard drive icon in the side bar, then click on the Erase tab. Select Mac OS Extended Journaled as the format then allow it to erase the drive. Make sure you click on Include OS 9 Drivers. If you don't you will not be able to install OS 9 later.
Now click on First Aid and then Repair Disk.
Watch the activity screen. If it does any repairs - you will need to click on the Repair Disk button a second time after the first pass is done. The object is to make sure it finds all the problems and repairs them. You may need to hit that button a third or fourth time to get no references to repairs made.
When done, quit Disk Utility.
The Welcome to the Mac OS X Installer window appears.
Click Continue. The Important Information window appears.
After reading or printing the information, click Continue. The Software License Agreement window appears.
After reading or printing the information, click Continue.
An agreement sheet appears. If you agree with the license agreement, click Agree. The Select a Destination window appears.
Click the volume that you wish to install to.
Click Continue to begin the installation.
After restart, and you set up your user, go to the Utilities folder and start up Disk Utility to repair permissions.
Now your system is 10.4.0. You will want to use Software Update in System Preferences to get all the updates. It should give you the 10.4.11 Combo.
When that is done and you restart, use Disk Utility to repair permissions.
Now you need to install your programs as well as OS 9.
As for an Archive install - for future reference:
After selecting the drive to install on:
Click Options. The installation options sheet appears.
Select Archive and Install.
Select the volume which already has Mac OS X installed.
You should also select Preserve Users and Network Settings, to preserve network and Home directory settings.
Click OK.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Jan 26, 2008 - 11:24 am
Cheryl,
That'd great news. I have to work today, but will start backing up whatever I can immediately. I thought that I would also lose my OS 9 when I erased the disk, but that's no problem as I have the install disks for that. I'm not sure what I can get to, but I"m hooing that I will be able to get what I need. My question now is what exactly do I need to get? You have mentioned the home file. Will that have all my files and applications in it? I hate to sound lke a putz here, but I want to make sure I get everything that I can before I do the erase. Point me in the right direction and it's done - for sure. I'm beginning to feel a ray of hope here and it is beginning to look like I won't have to be making that trip to the Apple Store (100 one way) right now.
Thnx,
Rick
That'd great news. I have to work today, but will start backing up whatever I can immediately. I thought that I would also lose my OS 9 when I erased the disk, but that's no problem as I have the install disks for that. I'm not sure what I can get to, but I"m hooing that I will be able to get what I need. My question now is what exactly do I need to get? You have mentioned the home file. Will that have all my files and applications in it? I hate to sound lke a putz here, but I want to make sure I get everything that I can before I do the erase. Point me in the right direction and it's done - for sure. I'm beginning to feel a ray of hope here and it is beginning to look like I won't have to be making that trip to the Apple Store (100 one way) right now.
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Jan 26, 2008 - 12:13 pm
Rick,
The Home folder (In Users folder) has all your documents, pictures, movies, etc., as well as preferences files which some will have registration keys stored.
As for the applications you have installed - those are sitting in the Applications folder. Make sure you save some of those OS 9 Applications that are in Applications(OS 9) folder. Some programs will not work from your backup like Stuffit Expander or your anti virus program. They will need to be installed afterwards. In this case, if you save the downloaded installers, you are okay. In OS 9 those would be in the Download folder that you created (if you did). In OS X that should be in the Download folder in your Home folder.
Depending on some programs - like your word processor - you may need to install after your OS install because of fonts that are installed. If you have iWorks, those programs need to have a fresh install.
Just like the English language there are always exceptions to the rules. I do hope this helps you.
Cheryl
The Home folder (In Users folder) has all your documents, pictures, movies, etc., as well as preferences files which some will have registration keys stored.
As for the applications you have installed - those are sitting in the Applications folder. Make sure you save some of those OS 9 Applications that are in Applications(OS 9) folder. Some programs will not work from your backup like Stuffit Expander or your anti virus program. They will need to be installed afterwards. In this case, if you save the downloaded installers, you are okay. In OS 9 those would be in the Download folder that you created (if you did). In OS X that should be in the Download folder in your Home folder.
Depending on some programs - like your word processor - you may need to install after your OS install because of fonts that are installed. If you have iWorks, those programs need to have a fresh install.
Just like the English language there are always exceptions to the rules. I do hope this helps you.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Jan 27, 2008 - 1:13 pm
I will get back to you as son as I can give this a try.
Thnx,
Rick
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Jan 27, 2008 - 3:29 pm
Okay. Keep in mind that after three days the system will close the ticket due to nonactivity. You or I can reopen it.
Cheryl
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Jan 29, 2008 - 11:09 am
Thnx Cheryl.
I've been getting help from one of the digital press operators where I work as well and he has been sending me links from MacFixIt. They seem to be going at it from the standpoint that I can use the AppleScript editor or something like that and simple go in and repair the offending files in the library. I have not had alot of luck geting things to install right now tho and I do not have it the utilities folder. I was able to go into OS 9 yesterday and get the utilities folder out of the Apps folder.
Anyway I am stil working on the problem and hoping something will pull through and work
Thnx. Rick
I've been getting help from one of the digital press operators where I work as well and he has been sending me links from MacFixIt. They seem to be going at it from the standpoint that I can use the AppleScript editor or something like that and simple go in and repair the offending files in the library. I have not had alot of luck geting things to install right now tho and I do not have it the utilities folder. I was able to go into OS 9 yesterday and get the utilities folder out of the Apps folder.
Anyway I am stil working on the problem and hoping something will pull through and work
Thnx. Rick
Cheryl - Jan 29, 2008 - 7:56 pm
Rick,
It will be a slow process, but I know you can do it. Just keep me posted.
Cheryl
It will be a slow process, but I know you can do it. Just keep me posted.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Jan 30, 2008 - 9:10 am
Cheryl, so you are agreeing that I could use the Apple Script editor and pick and choose the offending pieces. My real problem here is that I"m not sure I can get the editor installed. So far, my possessed OS has kept me from being able eto install anything new.
I will keep you informed.
Rick
I will keep you informed.
Rick
Cheryl - Jan 30, 2008 - 10:06 pm
Rick,
Apple Script is already installed on your machine. It is in the Applications folder in OS X and should be in OS 9 as well.
Were you able to start up in OS 9? Can you get to your OS X home folder from there?
You can try using Apple Script. But if that does not help you, you will need to do a fresh new install.
Cheryl
Apple Script is already installed on your machine. It is in the Applications folder in OS X and should be in OS 9 as well.
Were you able to start up in OS 9? Can you get to your OS X home folder from there?
You can try using Apple Script. But if that does not help you, you will need to do a fresh new install.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Jan 31, 2008 - 8:07 am
Hi Cheryl,
I found the Apple Script editor where you said it would be. Someone told me it would be in the utilities folder so when I didn't find it there, I thought that I didn't have it. To answer your questions, yes, I have been starting up on OS 9 and I am able to get thing sout of the OS X applications folder and put them other places on the HD so that I can get them when I come back to OS X. Not to sound thick or anything, but I don't see the home folder anywhere and am wondering if it is under another name? If I can find that I will try to burn it off to a DVD right away. Are we talking about the folder that is called "Users?"
I wanted to let you know also that I am going out of town for a couple of days. Heading to Chicago for the weekend for some serious R&R. Show tomorrow night at the House of Blues etc, etc, etc. Anyway, I will not be back on until Sunday at the earliest. I'll check for responses as soon as I get home. I have today off as well so I am planning to spend some quality time with my Mac and see if I can get it back up and running better. I will probably be on and off all day while I am trying to fix whatever I can to get it back up. I would say right now that the main objective isi to repair it enough to be able to get Tiger to install. I will post if I have any luck.
Talk to you later.
Thnx,
Rick
I found the Apple Script editor where you said it would be. Someone told me it would be in the utilities folder so when I didn't find it there, I thought that I didn't have it. To answer your questions, yes, I have been starting up on OS 9 and I am able to get thing sout of the OS X applications folder and put them other places on the HD so that I can get them when I come back to OS X. Not to sound thick or anything, but I don't see the home folder anywhere and am wondering if it is under another name? If I can find that I will try to burn it off to a DVD right away. Are we talking about the folder that is called "Users?"
I wanted to let you know also that I am going out of town for a couple of days. Heading to Chicago for the weekend for some serious R&R. Show tomorrow night at the House of Blues etc, etc, etc. Anyway, I will not be back on until Sunday at the earliest. I'll check for responses as soon as I get home. I have today off as well so I am planning to spend some quality time with my Mac and see if I can get it back up and running better. I will probably be on and off all day while I am trying to fix whatever I can to get it back up. I would say right now that the main objective isi to repair it enough to be able to get Tiger to install. I will post if I have any luck.
Talk to you later.
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Jan 31, 2008 - 7:31 pm
Rick,
Yes, you home folder is in Users.
Now if you are saving your files on another part of the hard drive, you can not wipe the drive clean to install so do not select Erase and Install. You will have to select Archive & Install. In the Options, you do not want to preserve users since you have a back up already.
I suggest when you have installed, create a new user (it can be the same user name as now with the same password), then just move over the important files from your saved home folder.
You may need to install your programs that are not Apple's as well as iWorks or iLife.
A word of warning about coming to Chicago. You will be fighting a very large snow storm. Yes, it is snowing here and they predict 6 inches or more. Driving is not recommended until they plow the main streets.
Cheryl
Yes, you home folder is in Users.
Now if you are saving your files on another part of the hard drive, you can not wipe the drive clean to install so do not select Erase and Install. You will have to select Archive & Install. In the Options, you do not want to preserve users since you have a back up already.
I suggest when you have installed, create a new user (it can be the same user name as now with the same password), then just move over the important files from your saved home folder.
You may need to install your programs that are not Apple's as well as iWorks or iLife.
A word of warning about coming to Chicago. You will be fighting a very large snow storm. Yes, it is snowing here and they predict 6 inches or more. Driving is not recommended until they plow the main streets.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 1, 2008 - 3:12 am
Cheryl,
WOW!! I had no idea that you were in Chicago. I'm afraid that it's too late though. It's 4am here . It's been raining most of the night and we just checked the weather for the trip. I thank you for the warning, but we have 4-wheel drive and the plans have been made. I'm pretty sure that we can make it and from our hotel we had planned to use the Blue Line anyway so once we get in it won't be a problem.
Of all things!!!! I had no idea.
Talk to you in a couple of days.
Rick
WOW!! I had no idea that you were in Chicago. I'm afraid that it's too late though. It's 4am here . It's been raining most of the night and we just checked the weather for the trip. I thank you for the warning, but we have 4-wheel drive and the plans have been made. I'm pretty sure that we can make it and from our hotel we had planned to use the Blue Line anyway so once we get in it won't be a problem.
Of all things!!!! I had no idea.
Talk to you in a couple of days.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 1, 2008 - 6:35 am
Rick,
Enjoy your stay. You may really enjoy the Millenium Park. There is an ice display there that is really cool.
Cheryl
Enjoy your stay. You may really enjoy the Millenium Park. There is an ice display there that is really cool.
Cheryl
Cheryl - Feb 3, 2008 - 7:26 am
Rick,
I am responding to keep this ticket open until you get back.
Cheryl
I am responding to keep this ticket open until you get back.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 4, 2008 - 10:36 am
Cheryl
Thnx for keeping this alive. The trip was great. Sorry I missed your post about Millenium Park. Is that an annual thing? We are in and out of Chicago several times a year usually. We did, however, hit the Superdawg yeesterday on our way out of town and that was way fantastic. I will get back to you about the system tomorrow.
Thnx again,
Rick
Thnx for keeping this alive. The trip was great. Sorry I missed your post about Millenium Park. Is that an annual thing? We are in and out of Chicago several times a year usually. We did, however, hit the Superdawg yeesterday on our way out of town and that was way fantastic. I will get back to you about the system tomorrow.
Thnx again,
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 4, 2008 - 5:25 pm
Rick,
Millenium Park usually has different things going on, just as Navy Pier does. SuperDawg --- wow, my favorite place.
I await your report.
Cheryl
Millenium Park usually has different things going on, just as Navy Pier does. SuperDawg --- wow, my favorite place.
I await your report.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 6, 2008 - 10:35 am
Cheryl.
OK I finally got enough time to copy my home folder and also my Applications folder as well. the home folder is 8.34gigs in size. I don't know how much I can put on a DVD. Is this too large? I did rename it also in the hopes that I will be able to work with it without the findr doing any if its new tricks. Let me know. I am hoping that I am getting close to the end on this and will be able to wipe the HD and start over soon.
Thnx,
Rick
OK I finally got enough time to copy my home folder and also my Applications folder as well. the home folder is 8.34gigs in size. I don't know how much I can put on a DVD. Is this too large? I did rename it also in the hopes that I will be able to work with it without the findr doing any if its new tricks. Let me know. I am hoping that I am getting close to the end on this and will be able to wipe the HD and start over soon.
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 6, 2008 - 6:45 pm
Rick,
A normal DVD is 4.7 GB. You will need to spilt up the folder. Put pictures on one all by itself if you have many. Same with movies if you have them. Then the rest should be able to go on another one.
Remember when you wipe your drive, OS 9 goes away as well. When you format the drive, make sure to check the box for include OS 9 drivers.
Cheryl
A normal DVD is 4.7 GB. You will need to spilt up the folder. Put pictures on one all by itself if you have many. Same with movies if you have them. Then the rest should be able to go on another one.
Remember when you wipe your drive, OS 9 goes away as well. When you format the drive, make sure to check the box for include OS 9 drivers.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 7, 2008 - 11:06 am
Cheryl. I found out about how much a DVD would hold after I posted yesterday, but you guessed my next question. Then it will be possible to split the folder. I do have quite the collection of pictures and I also have original music in folders so you would suggest that I split those off and use a second disk for them. Is there anything else I can split out of the home file? Maybe it would be better to ask "what should I not take out of the Home folder?" I am guessing that all the library and preferences stuff should stay together. Once I start this process, I will be mostly out of touch until it is done. I do have access through my wife's system in case I run into serious problems.
This probably won't happen before the weekend, however. In the meantime, I will try to get my ducks in a row so that I can be ready when I get up the courage to wipe the drive. I have my OS 9 install disks also. Is there anything that I need to save for the OS 9 install?
Thnx,
Rick
This probably won't happen before the weekend, however. In the meantime, I will try to get my ducks in a row so that I can be ready when I get up the courage to wipe the drive. I have my OS 9 install disks also. Is there anything that I need to save for the OS 9 install?
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 7, 2008 - 9:30 pm
Rick,
Music can be on one DVD, photos on another. Your documents, and the Library folder can be on the third. There are a few folder in Library that you do not need to copy. Caches, & Logs can be emptied of all files and folders, then copied. The font folder in Hard Drive>Library should be saved/backed up if you installed extra fonts. Make sure you save your download folder as that may have installers that you downloaded.
As for your OS 9, you may want to save the Font Folder and any program that you no longer have the installer for.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl
Music can be on one DVD, photos on another. Your documents, and the Library folder can be on the third. There are a few folder in Library that you do not need to copy. Caches, & Logs can be emptied of all files and folders, then copied. The font folder in Hard Drive>Library should be saved/backed up if you installed extra fonts. Make sure you save your download folder as that may have installers that you downloaded.
As for your OS 9, you may want to save the Font Folder and any program that you no longer have the installer for.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 8, 2008 - 11:53 am
Cheryl, I have started burning my back-ups. Will keep ypu posted as to my progress. At least I'll get those back-ups done finally.
Rick
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 8, 2008 - 4:49 pm
Rick,
Hind sight is 20/20. It is a good thing that you are able to make those backups now.
Cheryl
Hind sight is 20/20. It is a good thing that you are able to make those backups now.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 9, 2008 - 10:42 am
Cheryl,
I see you have also noticed one of my stronger traits. I have always been blessed with 20/20 hindsight!! I am working on those backups now.
Rick
I see you have also noticed one of my stronger traits. I have always been blessed with 20/20 hindsight!! I am working on those backups now.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 9, 2008 - 2:57 pm
Rick,
Just keep me posted.
Cheryl
Just keep me posted.
Cheryl
Cheryl - Feb 9, 2008 - 2:57 pm
Rick,
Just keep me posted.
Cheryl
Just keep me posted.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 9, 2008 - 4:18 pm
Cheryl.
I started trying to backup up my files from OS 9 and I'm not sure what happened, but it froze up while it was trying to initialize the DVD. I had to cold boot it to get it to go at all. Then it didn't find the HD. It was like the HD got unmounted somehow. I used the Tiger disk to get back up and then used the disk utility to get things back. Verified and repaired as far as it will let me go. It keeps saying something about underlying activity and has not stopped and therefore cannot go any farther with either the repair or varification. I sure wish I knew what that meant and if there was a way to get those underlying issues to go away. I have to admit this last experience raised to old BP a notch or 2. - lol
Anyway will keep trying. Keep you posted.
Rick
I started trying to backup up my files from OS 9 and I'm not sure what happened, but it froze up while it was trying to initialize the DVD. I had to cold boot it to get it to go at all. Then it didn't find the HD. It was like the HD got unmounted somehow. I used the Tiger disk to get back up and then used the disk utility to get things back. Verified and repaired as far as it will let me go. It keeps saying something about underlying activity and has not stopped and therefore cannot go any farther with either the repair or varification. I sure wish I knew what that meant and if there was a way to get those underlying issues to go away. I have to admit this last experience raised to old BP a notch or 2. - lol
Anyway will keep trying. Keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 9, 2008 - 5:26 pm
Rick,
Depending on exactly what the error is that Disk Utility is coming up with will give an exact nature as to what is wrong with the hard drive. Disk Utility can not repair B tree catalog problems.
Anything that Disk Utility can not fix, it is recommended to use a third party utility such as Disk Warrior or Tech Tool Pro. We are back to where we were earlier.
Cheryl
Depending on exactly what the error is that Disk Utility is coming up with will give an exact nature as to what is wrong with the hard drive. Disk Utility can not repair B tree catalog problems.
Anything that Disk Utility can not fix, it is recommended to use a third party utility such as Disk Warrior or Tech Tool Pro. We are back to where we were earlier.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 10, 2008 - 3:35 pm
Cheryl,
I feel like I'm digging in sand here.I am about to make that trip to the Apple Store and if they can get me back up and running on 10.2.8. I have the license for that. They last time it cost me $50 for them to fix me but from where I sit right now that might not be so bad. I don't seem to be able to format a DVD in OS 9 so I can't grab anything from there and burn it to save it. I can't get a disk to load in OS X at all. I keep getting a prompt taht is saying that "there is no suitable image to burn" and when I click OK it ejects the DVD. This happenns even if I have something highlighted so I guess that this is not going to work at all. I am going to to go to the Apple site and see what I can come up with. Maybe a trip there will end up to be cheaper then $109 that Disk Warrior will cost me. I have a copy but it is for OS 9 so I don't think it will help???
Anyway, I will keep trying and keep ypu posted as to my results. After putzing all weekend though I am feeling quite insignificant right now.
Later,
Rick
I feel like I'm digging in sand here.I am about to make that trip to the Apple Store and if they can get me back up and running on 10.2.8. I have the license for that. They last time it cost me $50 for them to fix me but from where I sit right now that might not be so bad. I don't seem to be able to format a DVD in OS 9 so I can't grab anything from there and burn it to save it. I can't get a disk to load in OS X at all. I keep getting a prompt taht is saying that "there is no suitable image to burn" and when I click OK it ejects the DVD. This happenns even if I have something highlighted so I guess that this is not going to work at all. I am going to to go to the Apple site and see what I can come up with. Maybe a trip there will end up to be cheaper then $109 that Disk Warrior will cost me. I have a copy but it is for OS 9 so I don't think it will help???
Anyway, I will keep trying and keep ypu posted as to my results. After putzing all weekend though I am feeling quite insignificant right now.
Later,
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 10, 2008 - 10:29 pm
Rick,
I know what you mean. The frustration level is very high and the machine just will not cooperate.
Disk Warrior just might help with OS 9, but you are right it will not help with the OS X side.
What the Apple site will tell you is to re-install the OS. You are in a catch 22 as you want to save your files.
Do you have another Mac available that boots without a problem? You could try doing the Target Mode and get your files off that way.
Cheryl
I know what you mean. The frustration level is very high and the machine just will not cooperate.
Disk Warrior just might help with OS 9, but you are right it will not help with the OS X side.
What the Apple site will tell you is to re-install the OS. You are in a catch 22 as you want to save your files.
Do you have another Mac available that boots without a problem? You could try doing the Target Mode and get your files off that way.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 10, 2008 - 10:46 pm
Cheryl,
"target mode?" My wife has a fully functional iMac right here in the same room. What are you suggesting? Please explain.
Rick
"target mode?" My wife has a fully functional iMac right here in the same room. What are you suggesting? Please explain.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 10, 2008 - 11:05 pm
Rick,
FireWire target disk mode allows a Macintosh computer with a FireWire port (the target computer) to be used as an external hard disk connected to another computer (the host). Once a target computer is started up as a FireWire hard disk and is available to the host computer, you can copy files to or from that volume.
Both computers need to have a firewire port. Your wife's machine is the host and yours is the target.
Unplug all other FireWire devices from both computers prior to using FireWire target disk mode. You can not use these devices until you are done.
Make sure that the target computer is turned off. If you are using a PowerBook or iBook as the target computer, you should also plug in its AC power adapter.
Use a FireWire cable (6-pin to 6-pin) to connect the target computer to a host computer. The host computer does not need to be turned off.
Start up the target computer and immediately press and hold down the T key until the FireWire icon appears. The hard disk of the target computer should become available to the host computer and will likely appear on desktop.
(If the target computer is running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, you can also open System Preferences, choose Startup Disk, and click Target Disk Mode. Then restart the computer and it will start up in Target Disk Mode.)
You now can get into your hard drive and copy files from your machine to your wife's hard drive.
When you are finished copying files, drag the target computer's hard disk icon to the Trash or select Put Away from the File menu (Mac OS 9) or Eject from the File menu (Mac OS X).
Press the target computer's power button to turn it off.
Unplug the FireWire cable.
If the target computer's hard disk does not become available to the host computer, check the cable connections and restart the host computer.
From your wife's machine, you should be able to burn a DVD or CD of all your files and then delete it those files from her hard drive.
Now you can wipe your hard drive clean and start the install.
I should have thought of this earlier.... sorry
Cheryl
FireWire target disk mode allows a Macintosh computer with a FireWire port (the target computer) to be used as an external hard disk connected to another computer (the host). Once a target computer is started up as a FireWire hard disk and is available to the host computer, you can copy files to or from that volume.
Both computers need to have a firewire port. Your wife's machine is the host and yours is the target.
Unplug all other FireWire devices from both computers prior to using FireWire target disk mode. You can not use these devices until you are done.
Make sure that the target computer is turned off. If you are using a PowerBook or iBook as the target computer, you should also plug in its AC power adapter.
Use a FireWire cable (6-pin to 6-pin) to connect the target computer to a host computer. The host computer does not need to be turned off.
Start up the target computer and immediately press and hold down the T key until the FireWire icon appears. The hard disk of the target computer should become available to the host computer and will likely appear on desktop.
(If the target computer is running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, you can also open System Preferences, choose Startup Disk, and click Target Disk Mode. Then restart the computer and it will start up in Target Disk Mode.)
You now can get into your hard drive and copy files from your machine to your wife's hard drive.
When you are finished copying files, drag the target computer's hard disk icon to the Trash or select Put Away from the File menu (Mac OS 9) or Eject from the File menu (Mac OS X).
Press the target computer's power button to turn it off.
Unplug the FireWire cable.
If the target computer's hard disk does not become available to the host computer, check the cable connections and restart the host computer.
From your wife's machine, you should be able to burn a DVD or CD of all your files and then delete it those files from her hard drive.
Now you can wipe your hard drive clean and start the install.
I should have thought of this earlier.... sorry
Cheryl
Cheryl - Feb 12, 2008 - 6:01 am
Rick,
How are you doing?
Cheryl
How are you doing?
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 12, 2008 - 12:50 pm
Cheryl.
I haven't had the chance to try it yet but will let ou know as soon as I do
Rick
I haven't had the chance to try it yet but will let ou know as soon as I do
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 12, 2008 - 1:42 pm
Rick,
I don't want this ticket to close until you are back up and running.
Cheryl
I don't want this ticket to close until you are back up and running.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 13, 2008 - 10:39 am
Cheryl,
I agree and thank you for all the help so far. I just got covered up here with both work and a major winter storm. just finished a 12 hour day and have another one tonight as well. Is there a chance that the ticket will be closed? That would be most unfortunate at this point. Stay in touch. IF the ticket is abotu to be colsed - please feel free to use my personal email. IT is in my profile and I know it is supposed to be public.
Thnx,
Rick
I agree and thank you for all the help so far. I just got covered up here with both work and a major winter storm. just finished a 12 hour day and have another one tonight as well. Is there a chance that the ticket will be closed? That would be most unfortunate at this point. Stay in touch. IF the ticket is abotu to be colsed - please feel free to use my personal email. IT is in my profile and I know it is supposed to be public.
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 13, 2008 - 8:45 pm
Rick,
I do know about winter storms. And I know about long hours at work. I am a teacher and there are days that I either have lots of papers to grade or I am just too tired to do anything.
The system closes tickets after three days of no activities. You or I can reopen it if that does happen. I will keep my eye on this ticket and do my best to keep it open.
Cheryl
I do know about winter storms. And I know about long hours at work. I am a teacher and there are days that I either have lots of papers to grade or I am just too tired to do anything.
The system closes tickets after three days of no activities. You or I can reopen it if that does happen. I will keep my eye on this ticket and do my best to keep it open.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 14, 2008 - 10:49 am
Cheryl,
I am doing what I can but I am so glad that you understand. I have to admit that you are about the greatest person to help me thru this the way you have. I am hoping to get my backups done over the weekend. but @ the moment the talk is for 12 hour weekend days as well. It's amazing that the junk mail business can be this demanding isn't it.
I will keep you posted as to my progress. My wife and I have been talking and when this is all over we will certainly owe you @ least a beer on our next trip to the "windy!" Your help and patience is just awesome!!!
Thnx,
Rick
I am doing what I can but I am so glad that you understand. I have to admit that you are about the greatest person to help me thru this the way you have. I am hoping to get my backups done over the weekend. but @ the moment the talk is for 12 hour weekend days as well. It's amazing that the junk mail business can be this demanding isn't it.
I will keep you posted as to my progress. My wife and I have been talking and when this is all over we will certainly owe you @ least a beer on our next trip to the "windy!" Your help and patience is just awesome!!!
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 14, 2008 - 6:52 pm
Rick,
Rather than buying me a beer, I would like you to donate to this site. At present the web master/owner is running this site on donations only and he does need your support.
Just keep me posted on your progress.
Cheryl
Rather than buying me a beer, I would like you to donate to this site. At present the web master/owner is running this site on donations only and he does need your support.
Just keep me posted on your progress.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 16, 2008 - 8:30 am
Cheryl.
You can consider that done as soon as i'm back up and running. Still building huge hours @ work though. Am hoping to get teh target thing going tomorrow though so that I can get those backups going.
Will keep you posted.
Rick
You can consider that done as soon as i'm back up and running. Still building huge hours @ work though. Am hoping to get teh target thing going tomorrow though so that I can get those backups going.
Will keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 16, 2008 - 11:55 am
Rick,
Cheryl
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 17, 2008 - 10:09 am
Cheryl,
Am heading out to see if maybe U cna find a longer Firewire. The only one I have is for my iPod so it's only about 5 feet long. It would be nice if I didn't have to move my tower to get this done, but I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Am heading out to see if maybe U cna find a longer Firewire. The only one I have is for my iPod so it's only about 5 feet long. It would be nice if I didn't have to move my tower to get this done, but I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 17, 2008 - 10:45 am
OK
rickd1010 - Feb 18, 2008 - 10:56 am
Cheryl.
No luck with the cable at the one place I looked but I do have my iPod wire in hand so no matter what I am about to start the target link.
Rick
No luck with the cable at the one place I looked but I do have my iPod wire in hand so no matter what I am about to start the target link.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 18, 2008 - 12:14 pm
Rick,
Just keep me posted when you are done.
Cheryl
Just keep me posted when you are done.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 19, 2008 - 10:51 am
Cheryl.
OK!
Rick
OK!
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 19, 2008 - 7:19 pm
Rick,
Just keeping this ticket open
Cheryl
Just keeping this ticket open
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 20, 2008 - 10:08 am
Cheryl,
Yep, me too until I can get the chance to really get something done here. I'm hoping for some time in the next couple of days, but am doig a U-Haul this weekend and emptying out the storage spaces.
I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Yep, me too until I can get the chance to really get something done here. I'm hoping for some time in the next couple of days, but am doig a U-Haul this weekend and emptying out the storage spaces.
I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 20, 2008 - 8:57 pm
Rick,
I do know about work taking up your 'free' time.
Cheryl
I do know about work taking up your 'free' time.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 21, 2008 - 1:12 pm
Cheryl,
things are looking promising for Saturday maybe. will keep ypu posted.
Rick
things are looking promising for Saturday maybe. will keep ypu posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 23, 2008 - 7:18 am
Rick,
Just keeping this ticket open.
Cheryl
Just keeping this ticket open.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 23, 2008 - 9:51 am
Cheryl.
Thnx again. Did not get a chance to get on @ all yesterday.
Rick
Thnx again. Did not get a chance to get on @ all yesterday.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 23, 2008 - 9:42 pm
Rick,
Just keeping the ticket open
Cheryl
Just keeping the ticket open
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 24, 2008 - 10:04 pm
Cheryl,
Spent the day moving and the evening celebrating my birthday. Taking tomorrow off and might just get lucky and get to work on my machine. I hope!!!!!
Rick
Spent the day moving and the evening celebrating my birthday. Taking tomorrow off and might just get lucky and get to work on my machine. I hope!!!!!
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 25, 2008 - 5:58 am
Rick,
Happy Birthday !
Cheryl
Happy Birthday !
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 25, 2008 - 8:28 am
Cheryl.
With a little luck today might be the day for the Firewire link with my wife's system. I have everything pretty much ready to go. I do have one question, however. When I set up both systems I left both hard drives names Macintosh HD. Is this going to be a problem? With all the problems I am having with my system I don't know if renaming the HD right now is a good idea or not. I suppose I should just stop worrying and do it- huh?
I 'll keep you posted as to the results.
Thnx for the Happy B'day also. Another thing that I share with Steven Jobs. We share the same birthday.
Rick
With a little luck today might be the day for the Firewire link with my wife's system. I have everything pretty much ready to go. I do have one question, however. When I set up both systems I left both hard drives names Macintosh HD. Is this going to be a problem? With all the problems I am having with my system I don't know if renaming the HD right now is a good idea or not. I suppose I should just stop worrying and do it- huh?
I 'll keep you posted as to the results.
Thnx for the Happy B'day also. Another thing that I share with Steven Jobs. We share the same birthday.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 25, 2008 - 9:21 pm
Rick,
Hard drive names do not interfere with a target connection. Each computer has their own name that is determined by the owner/administrator (main user) of the computer.
Cheryl
Hard drive names do not interfere with a target connection. Each computer has their own name that is determined by the owner/administrator (main user) of the computer.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Feb 26, 2008 - 1:16 pm
Cheryl.
Thnx for that. Back in the old days before OSX the finder would get confused if you had 2 HD's on the desktop that were the same name.
Didn't get a chance to start today though. Hopefully tomorrow or the next day. Wish my schedule would settle down some.
Rick
Thnx for that. Back in the old days before OSX the finder would get confused if you had 2 HD's on the desktop that were the same name.
Didn't get a chance to start today though. Hopefully tomorrow or the next day. Wish my schedule would settle down some.
Rick
rickd1010 - Feb 27, 2008 - 1:22 pm
Cheryl.
Just keeping the ticket open. Maybe some "free" time tomorrow.
Rick
Just keeping the ticket open. Maybe some "free" time tomorrow.
Rick
rickd1010 - Feb 29, 2008 - 9:10 am
Cheryl.
I'm not sure why I just got a response notice, but will keep you posted as to my progress. It's snowing large here.
Rick
I'm not sure why I just got a response notice, but will keep you posted as to my progress. It's snowing large here.
Rick
Cheryl - Feb 29, 2008 - 5:20 pm
Rick,
Our system sends reminders on a regular basis. I am not sure exactly what makes it send them out. It could be that I didn't respond to your last 'keeping ticket open'.
Cheryl
Our system sends reminders on a regular basis. I am not sure exactly what makes it send them out. It could be that I didn't respond to your last 'keeping ticket open'.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 1, 2008 - 1:16 pm
Cheryl,
Well, with any luck and some help from above I hope to get this done this weekend. I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Well, with any luck and some help from above I hope to get this done this weekend. I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 1, 2008 - 10:38 pm
Rick,
Just keeping the ticket open
Cheryl
Just keeping the ticket open
Cheryl
- Mar 3, 2008 - 9:56 am
Cheryl.
Well, it's done. I do seem to be running on Tiger, but I think I have some casualities. I have not run permissions yet, but it seems that the applications that I have opened so far are starting like the were new so I'm afraid that i lost my preferences. At least I am running closer to normal again and on the new platform. I have a few more hours till I have to go to work so I will see what I can do .
Rick
Well, it's done. I do seem to be running on Tiger, but I think I have some casualities. I have not run permissions yet, but it seems that the applications that I have opened so far are starting like the were new so I'm afraid that i lost my preferences. At least I am running closer to normal again and on the new platform. I have a few more hours till I have to go to work so I will see what I can do .
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 3, 2008 - 11:44 am
Rick,
That is good news! You should update Tiger (10.4) to the latest using Software Update panel in System Preferences. Get all the security updates as well.
Then run Disk Utility from the Utilities folder to repair permissions.
Setting up your different program preferences is nothing compared to the problems you did have.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl
That is good news! You should update Tiger (10.4) to the latest using Software Update panel in System Preferences. Get all the security updates as well.
Then run Disk Utility from the Utilities folder to repair permissions.
Setting up your different program preferences is nothing compared to the problems you did have.
Keep me posted.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 4, 2008 - 10:31 am
Cheryl,
I did get the Home folder backed up and also downloaded my entire applications folder as well. I don't know where I went wrong exactly. But what I do seem to have lost is all of my preferences for my email and all of my bookmarks for my browsers. Is there a place in the home folder where I can find them or are they really gone?
Let me know.
Rick
I did get the Home folder backed up and also downloaded my entire applications folder as well. I don't know where I went wrong exactly. But what I do seem to have lost is all of my preferences for my email and all of my bookmarks for my browsers. Is there a place in the home folder where I can find them or are they really gone?
Let me know.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 4, 2008 - 8:04 pm
Rick,
In the Home folder>Library is your preferences. In Library is Mail - that is where you emails are. In Library is Safari - where you bookmarks are. In Library- Preferences are all the program preferences.
In Library>Application Support are more files.
Home Folder>Library is the place where to look. If you move each individual folder or file over to the new Library folder, you should be back in business.
Cheryl
In the Home folder>Library is your preferences. In Library is Mail - that is where you emails are. In Library is Safari - where you bookmarks are. In Library- Preferences are all the program preferences.
In Library>Application Support are more files.
Home Folder>Library is the place where to look. If you move each individual folder or file over to the new Library folder, you should be back in business.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 5, 2008 - 12:44 pm
Cheryl,
Ummmm, I used Thunderbird for my mail browser and Firefox for my internet browser. So far I have not had much luck finding either of them in my old Home folder, but I am still looking. Any ideas as to what I should look under? Alos I don't seem to hAve my Apple addressbook working right.
Will talk to yo ulater.
Thnx,
Rick
Ummmm, I used Thunderbird for my mail browser and Firefox for my internet browser. So far I have not had much luck finding either of them in my old Home folder, but I am still looking. Any ideas as to what I should look under? Alos I don't seem to hAve my Apple addressbook working right.
Will talk to yo ulater.
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 5, 2008 - 6:20 pm
Rick,
Address Book files are in Home>Library>Application Support.
FireFox folder with bookmarks is in Home>Library Application Support.
Thunderbird is probably in the Home>Library>Application Support. I don't have Thunderbird, so I am guessing on this.
Anything else you need help finding?
Cheryl
Address Book files are in Home>Library>Application Support.
FireFox folder with bookmarks is in Home>Library Application Support.
Thunderbird is probably in the Home>Library>Application Support. I don't have Thunderbird, so I am guessing on this.
Anything else you need help finding?
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 7, 2008 - 3:26 pm
Cheryl.
Well, on top of everything else -right now I am without internet service. It's a long story, but I won't be able to get back online until 3/20. I am not sure how to proceed because of this, but I can use my wife's machine to get online and check for your responses.
Will check back later.
Rick
Well, on top of everything else -right now I am without internet service. It's a long story, but I won't be able to get back online until 3/20. I am not sure how to proceed because of this, but I can use my wife's machine to get online and check for your responses.
Will check back later.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 7, 2008 - 4:48 pm
Rick,
Is your internet problem due to the ISP? In any case, how is your transfer of files going?
Cheryl
Is your internet problem due to the ISP? In any case, how is your transfer of files going?
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 8, 2008 - 3:47 pm
Cheryl,
Believe it or not, it's due to my forgetting to pay my phone bill. I am still trying to put my ducks back in a row. Some of my apps didnt not travel so well either. I don't have my address book anymore as far as I can tell and I've already mentioned the mail issue. I did change my email address over to my wife's system, However, so that I can still get message notices. I'm changing ISP servers on the 20th and going with high-speed finally.
Weather here is horrid. Been called off work for the last 2 days so I've been working on the system most of that time. They are calling for another 8" - 12" before morning. I have reinstalled my OS 9 software as well and am also working on getting that back together. The good news is that my music all came over without problems and I kist installed iLife so I now have Garage band onboard also.
I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Believe it or not, it's due to my forgetting to pay my phone bill. I am still trying to put my ducks back in a row. Some of my apps didnt not travel so well either. I don't have my address book anymore as far as I can tell and I've already mentioned the mail issue. I did change my email address over to my wife's system, However, so that I can still get message notices. I'm changing ISP servers on the 20th and going with high-speed finally.
Weather here is horrid. Been called off work for the last 2 days so I've been working on the system most of that time. They are calling for another 8" - 12" before morning. I have reinstalled my OS 9 software as well and am also working on getting that back together. The good news is that my music all came over without problems and I kist installed iLife so I now have Garage band onboard also.
I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 8, 2008 - 4:03 pm
Rick,
Address Book files are in Home>Library>Application Support. You will find several needed files there. Just check the Home folder you saved.
Thunderbird files should be in there as well as FireFox files.
Cheryl
Address Book files are in Home>Library>Application Support. You will find several needed files there. Just check the Home folder you saved.
Thunderbird files should be in there as well as FireFox files.
Cheryl
Cheryl - Mar 10, 2008 - 5:58 am
Rick,
Just keeping this open until you are comfortable with your outcome.
Cheryl
Just keeping this open until you are comfortable with your outcome.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 10, 2008 - 10:37 am
Cheryl.
Just getting back to keep things open. More later,
Rick
Just getting back to keep things open. More later,
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 10, 2008 - 9:20 pm
ok
Cheryl
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 12, 2008 - 11:06 am
Cheryl,
I am still trying to get things put back together, btu am afraid I lost some things in the upgrade. I am considering re-doing the download from the iMac this wekend and see if maybe I forgot to upload some of what I took off before I did the upgrade. My address book is not working at all. Of course without my internet hookup, I haven't spent much time working on any of that.
Will get back to you as things progress.
Thnx,
Rick
I am still trying to get things put back together, btu am afraid I lost some things in the upgrade. I am considering re-doing the download from the iMac this wekend and see if maybe I forgot to upload some of what I took off before I did the upgrade. My address book is not working at all. Of course without my internet hookup, I haven't spent much time working on any of that.
Will get back to you as things progress.
Thnx,
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 12, 2008 - 8:25 pm
Rick,
Double check the home folder that you saved on your wife's Mac. All those files should be there. You can save individual folders from that rescued folder and then replace what is on your computer with the saved file.
Just trash the 'new' and drag & drop the rescued one.
Cheryl
Double check the home folder that you saved on your wife's Mac. All those files should be there. You can save individual folders from that rescued folder and then replace what is on your computer with the saved file.
Just trash the 'new' and drag & drop the rescued one.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 13, 2008 - 10:43 am
OK Cheryl,
I'll give that a try. Just finished up a 10 hour day and have just woke up so am not too perky yet, but your advise makes sense.
I'll keep you posted.
Rick
I'll give that a try. Just finished up a 10 hour day and have just woke up so am not too perky yet, but your advise makes sense.
I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 14, 2008 - 5:51 am
Rick,
Just keep me posted.
Cheryl
Just keep me posted.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 15, 2008 - 10:11 am
Cheryl,
Hoping to get the second download done today. Will let you know how it goes.
Rick
Hoping to get the second download done today. Will let you know how it goes.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 16, 2008 - 11:19 am
Rick,
How are you doing?
Cheryl
How are you doing?
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 16, 2008 - 4:18 pm
Cheryl,
Ummm, the weekend hasn't worked out as I hoped. Trying to do this and get moved too is quite the load. I'm still hoping to get hooked up again before the day is over. I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Ummm, the weekend hasn't worked out as I hoped. Trying to do this and get moved too is quite the load. I'm still hoping to get hooked up again before the day is over. I'll keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 17, 2008 - 7:35 am
Rick,
Moving? You sure do have a lot on your plate.
Cheryl
Moving? You sure do have a lot on your plate.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 18, 2008 - 12:42 pm
Cheryl.
that's teh way it always is - really. It can never be just one thing or another, but I'm sure that's not a personal thing - LOL My system issues along with everything else are really just par for the course.
I would like to ask you if there is a way to make an emergency boot disk from either my Tiger disk or the system folder in case I should ever need one. I tried copying the system folder from the Tiger disk but the Finder would not let me do that. I would like to just burn a minimal system folder and Disk Utilities to a DVD. Can you give me some advise here?
Rick
that's teh way it always is - really. It can never be just one thing or another, but I'm sure that's not a personal thing - LOL My system issues along with everything else are really just par for the course.
I would like to ask you if there is a way to make an emergency boot disk from either my Tiger disk or the system folder in case I should ever need one. I tried copying the system folder from the Tiger disk but the Finder would not let me do that. I would like to just burn a minimal system folder and Disk Utilities to a DVD. Can you give me some advise here?
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 18, 2008 - 2:19 pm
Rick,
You need to use CarbonCopy Cloner or SuperDuper. As you have found out, just using the Finder will not work and it will not copy the invisible files that are needed.
CCC is free.
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id...on-copy-cloner
With CCC you can customize what you want cloned or copied. You can have it saved to your hard drive, external drive or CD/DVD. You can copy the Utilities folder as well as the System folder. CCC has an option to make it a bootable system folder.
Let me know if you need step by step instructions.
Cheryl
You need to use CarbonCopy Cloner or SuperDuper. As you have found out, just using the Finder will not work and it will not copy the invisible files that are needed.
CCC is free.
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id...on-copy-cloner
With CCC you can customize what you want cloned or copied. You can have it saved to your hard drive, external drive or CD/DVD. You can copy the Utilities folder as well as the System folder. CCC has an option to make it a bootable system folder.
Let me know if you need step by step instructions.
Cheryl
Cheryl - Mar 20, 2008 - 11:56 am
Rick,
How are you doing?
Cheryl
How are you doing?
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 20, 2008 - 12:09 pm
Cheryl.
Thnx for that. I should hacve internet back up this weekend so I'll check that out. It will be nice to get back to my own machine.
Rick
Thnx for that. I should hacve internet back up this weekend so I'll check that out. It will be nice to get back to my own machine.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 21, 2008 - 6:14 am
Rick,
Just keeping the ticket open.
Cheryl
Just keeping the ticket open.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 21, 2008 - 12:54 pm
Cheryl,
Yep , me too. I'm very close now to having the network set up though and that should be a great help. I', thinking that if I establish "sharing" between our two systems that I can do my second download from her system via ethernet instead of using the Firewire. am I correct there?
Will keep you posted.
Rick
Yep , me too. I'm very close now to having the network set up though and that should be a great help. I', thinking that if I establish "sharing" between our two systems that I can do my second download from her system via ethernet instead of using the Firewire. am I correct there?
Will keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 21, 2008 - 1:14 pm
Rick,
Yes, you are correct !
Cheryl
Yes, you are correct !
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 22, 2008 - 4:00 pm
Cheryl,
Have the network up and running and am now rockin' with Road Runner - LOL!!!!!!! I haven't gone to Sharing yet for the download, but i am having problems downloading the big Tiger download from Apple. It keeps blowing up before it gets loaded. Even though I can now get the file in like 4 minutes. I did a permissions thing from the disk and repaired everything and checked the disk as well. All is good. Any suggestions????
I'm going ot change my prefs for here now. Let me know what you think.
Rick
Have the network up and running and am now rockin' with Road Runner - LOL!!!!!!! I haven't gone to Sharing yet for the download, but i am having problems downloading the big Tiger download from Apple. It keeps blowing up before it gets loaded. Even though I can now get the file in like 4 minutes. I did a permissions thing from the disk and repaired everything and checked the disk as well. All is good. Any suggestions????
I'm going ot change my prefs for here now. Let me know what you think.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 22, 2008 - 10:58 pm
Rick,
What do you mean it blows up? What exactly happens?
Cheryl
What do you mean it blows up? What exactly happens?
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 23, 2008 - 12:33 am
Cheryl,
Well, it would get about half loaded and kick me out. I finally got it though and am now running on 10.4.11!!!!!! I'm thinking it might have been a problem with the Apple site.
Will keep you posted.
Rick
Well, it would get about half loaded and kick me out. I finally got it though and am now running on 10.4.11!!!!!! I'm thinking it might have been a problem with the Apple site.
Will keep you posted.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 23, 2008 - 4:40 pm
Rick,
This is great news ! Just keep me posted.
I must warn you that in the next few days I may be down as I need to replace my hard drive (failing and I knew it would do this soon).
Cheryl
This is great news ! Just keep me posted.
I must warn you that in the next few days I may be down as I need to replace my hard drive (failing and I knew it would do this soon).
Cheryl
Cheryl - Mar 25, 2008 - 6:32 am
Rick,
I am working on borrowed time right now. Won't be able to open my computer until the weekend.
How's it going?
Cheryl
I am working on borrowed time right now. Won't be able to open my computer until the weekend.
How's it going?
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 25, 2008 - 9:39 am
Cheryl,
Sorry to hear about your HD. Hope the new one is an upgrade though. More space is always good. Believe me I know the feeling. I'm trying ot figure out all the ins and outs of my home network right now, but other then that i'm pretty ok. I'll keep the ticket open while your down if you like.
Rick
Sorry to hear about your HD. Hope the new one is an upgrade though. More space is always good. Believe me I know the feeling. I'm trying ot figure out all the ins and outs of my home network right now, but other then that i'm pretty ok. I'll keep the ticket open while your down if you like.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 25, 2008 - 9:58 pm
Rick,
If you feel comfortable with your system, there is no need to keep this ticket open. You or I can close it.
Cheryl
If you feel comfortable with your system, there is no need to keep this ticket open. You or I can close it.
Cheryl
rickd1010 - Mar 26, 2008 - 12:14 pm
Cheryl.
After all this time it will seem unusual not getting prompts from MacOSX and you but I suppose that things are as stable as they will get here. Whatever I don't have I will work around to get it back up and going. Hope your transplant works out this weekend. Thnx for all your help.
Rick
After all this time it will seem unusual not getting prompts from MacOSX and you but I suppose that things are as stable as they will get here. Whatever I don't have I will work around to get it back up and going. Hope your transplant works out this weekend. Thnx for all your help.
Rick
Cheryl - Mar 26, 2008 - 9:15 pm
Rick,
I am glad to be of help to you. You can always send me a PM if you have a question, or just post another question here or in the forums.
Cheryl
I am glad to be of help to you. You can always send me a PM if you have a question, or just post another question here or in the forums.
Cheryl
Cheryl - Mar 26, 2008 - 9:15 pm
Rick,
I am glad to be of help to you. You can always send me a PM if you have a question, or just post another question here or in the forums.
Cheryl
I am glad to be of help to you. You can always send me a PM if you have a question, or just post another question here or in the forums.
Cheryl
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