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nuubie - Aug 10, 2006 - 5:09 pm

Recently when I went to delete a file in the Finder, I was prompted with a dialog box warning me that the file would be deleted immediately thereby not going into the Trash. When I delete off the desktop, it goes into the trash. My .Trash folder is in my user folder. I tried this Terminal fix:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.p...0935&lsrc=osxh
but it didn't seem to work.

This is really troubling as I have to be so careful now. I've played with Tinkertool but the relevant settings don't seem to help. I thought that perhaps something in Tinkertool had caused this.

earthsaver - Aug 11, 2006 - 2:25 am

Where was the file located. Normally this message comes up when you try to send to the Trash a file on a network-connected drive.

- Ben

nuubie - Aug 14, 2006 - 11:03 am

These were not in the OS X partition. Its always worked great before. Interesting: you got me thinking and I tried deleting something out of the
users/me/Documents/thing to be deleted
and sure enough it went into the trash.
I tried deleting Finder's Preference file.
What else can I try?

nuubie - Aug 15, 2006 - 4:03 pm

If I could describe this problem better, I could probably find the answer with Google very fast. But....... I can't. Silly vocabulary. Where are those mind readers when you need them?

nuubie - Aug 17, 2006 - 6:12 am

Still the same.........any suggestions? When I delete in my home folder:
users, me, documents, file to be deleted
it works perfectly, but when its not there (on a different partition) it gets deleted immediately.

earthsaver - Aug 17, 2006 - 8:28 am

What is on that other partition? When did this problem start? What was the last thing you installed or opened before that time? Have you restarted the computer lately? What about repairing disk permissions?

nuubie - Aug 17, 2006 - 4:07 pm

I can't remember doing anything in particular. I restart the computer frequently. Sorry to not being able to isolate this better.

earthsaver - Aug 17, 2006 - 4:41 pm

Not sure, then, Back to the pool.

thoule - Aug 19, 2006 - 1:38 am

Hi nuubie -
Files from your local hard drive (boot up drive) are moved into /Users//.Trash/ when you put them in the Desktop trash folder. However, you state that files from your home folder are going into the trash when deleted- that means that folder is working fine.

When you move a file from another local hard drive volume, it goes to /Volumes//.Trashes/ It doesn't go to the same folder. You should make sure that the .Trashes folder exists on your other hard drive.

To do that, open Terminal and type
cd
then drag your other hard drive to the terminal window. That'll save you from typing the full path name. The press Return.

Then type
ls -la .Trashes
and see what is says.

You'll get either A or B below
A: ls: .Trashes: No such file or directory
Then we'll need to create it.

Or you get B:
Todd-Houles-MacBook:~ thoule$ ls -la .Trashes
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 2 thoule thoule 68 Aug 19 07:37 .
drwxr-xr-x 40 thoule thoule 1360 Aug 19 07:37 ..

Then we need to talk further. Please paste the output of your terminal session in your response.

Thanks
Todd

nuubie - Aug 23, 2006 - 11:02 am

> When you move a file from another local hard drive volume, it goes to /Volumes//.Trashes/ It doesn't go to the same folder. You should make sure that the .Trashes folder exists on your other hard drive.

When I enable invisible files in Pathfinder's Preferences I can see .Trashes on the partition in question. Does that mean the Trash is working OK? Because when I drag something to it, it doesn't show up in the Trash in the Dock. Also it doesn't show up in .Trashes on that partition. Should it?

Also for some inexplicable reason my Trash in Mail has vanished.

Cheryl - Aug 23, 2006 - 3:47 pm

Bobby,

Open TinkerTool and reset it to Apple's Defaults in the preferences. Then relaunch the finder or log out, then log back in.

Does this correct the issue?

Cheryl

nuubie - Aug 23, 2006 - 4:47 pm

Do I have to reset everything or just Finder's settings?

nuubie - Aug 23, 2006 - 4:56 pm

Exactly the same. Neither my Finder Trash works on the non-OS X partition or the Trash in Mail. When I try to delete a message it greys out. There is no Trash folder on the left either.

I also have TinkerTool System. There doesn't seem to be any way of resetting it to Default. Or is there? I can't remember if I changed anything in it. Of course I've Repaired Permissions a few times to no avail. This may be the 3rd time I've had to reinstall this OS in 3 months! So much for reliability.

nuubie - Aug 23, 2006 - 5:29 pm

So I tried deleting the preferences file in the LIbrary. Now when I start up Mail, I have nothing there. Yet I have all my folders in my Library. Why doesn't Mail see the folders?

Now I just noticed that the vertical || symbol on the bottom of the column dividers in the Finder have vanished and I have no way of adjusting the column width. This is incredible.

nuubie - Aug 23, 2006 - 5:34 pm

I tried the Terminal thing and sure enough there was no .Trashes. Here is what it said:
s0106000d935c84ce:~ aa$ cd
s0106000d935c84ce:~ aa$ /Volumes/250/
-bash: /Volumes/250/: is a directory
s0106000d935c84ce:~ aa$ Is -la.Trashes
-bash: Is: command not found
s0106000d935c84ce:~ aa$ ls -la .Trashes
ls: .Trashes: No such file or directory

Hope to hear from somebody soon.

nuubie - Aug 23, 2006 - 6:21 pm

I tried the Terminal thing and sure enough there was no .Trashes. Here is what it said:
s0106000d935c84ce:~ aa$ cd
s0106000d935c84ce:~ aa$ /Volumes/250/
-bash: /Volumes/250/: is a directory
s0106000d935c84ce:~ aa$ Is -la.Trashes
-bash: Is: command not found
s0106000d935c84ce:~ aa$ ls -la .Trashes
ls: .Trashes: No such file or directory

Hope to hear from somebody soon.

Cheryl - Aug 24, 2006 - 2:18 am

Bobby,

Before doing anything else, go to system Preferences and Create a new user/account. Have this new account administer the computer.
Now log out of your present user and log into the new user.

Is the problem still there?

Cheryl

nuubie - Aug 24, 2006 - 4:25 am

Cheryl, when I delete anything on the OS X partition it works fine. So I would think that a new user would be the same. How about we just focus on the non-OS X partition? And do you have have any ideas how to set up Trash in Mail after it vanishes?

nuubie - Aug 24, 2006 - 5:50 am

Great news.....the Mail Trash problem was solved. It was in Preferences under (who would guess!) Trash......lol. What a dufuss I am sometimes.....!
Mailbox Behaviours - Move deleted messages to a seperate folder was unchecked. Now that is over.

Meanwhile I eagerly await somebody's genius in hunting down my non-OS X partition Trash issues.

Is there any way I can direct this to the tech thoule? He had some Terminal suggestions that I tried but there was no response yet. Cheryl, do you have any idea about my Terminal result? If that provides any clues?

Cheryl - Aug 24, 2006 - 11:21 am

Bobby,

I'll reassign your ticket to Thoule so he can respond.

thoule - Aug 24, 2006 - 5:23 pm

Hi -
As for the terminal thing, I see you typed 'cd' then typed "/Volumes/250" That needs to be one line.
Can you type 'cd' then drag the other hard drive to the terminal window. THEN press return. The one line should read something like "cd /Volumes/250/"

Then type "ls -la" and copy the output of that command in... Then we can see what is there. Glad the mail thing got worked out.

thanks
Todd

nuubie - Aug 25, 2006 - 4:28 pm

OK - I think we're getting somewhere. BTW when I select to show invisible files the .Trashes is there.
------------------------------------------
Sorry about the formatting - hard to retain.
total 1552
drwxr-xr-x 47 aa aa 1700 Aug 25 19:32 .
drwxrwxrwt 7 root admin 238 Aug 25 21:04 ..
-rw-r--rw- 1 aa aa 21508 Aug 25 19:25 .DS_Store
drw------- 8 root aa 272 Jun 11 20:06 .Spotlight-V100
drwxr-xrwx 3 aa aa 102 Nov 18 2005 .TemporaryItems
d-wx-wx-wt 4 root admin 136 Aug 23 15:57 .Trashes
drwxr-xrwx 50 aa aa 1700 Aug 25 19:26 01 MY DOCS
drwxr-xrwx 26 aa aa 884 Aug 4 19:44 02 DOCS
drwxr-xr-x 26 aa aa 884 Aug 24 19:03 03 BOOKS
drwxrwxrwx 13 aa aa 442 Aug 18 18:58 04 PICS
drwxr-xr-x 12 aa aa 408 Aug 5 09:50 05 AUDIO
drwxrwxrwx 22 aa aa 748 Aug 10 15:11 06 VIDEOS
drwxr-xr-x 190 aa aa 6460 Aug 24 00:43 07 PROGs
drwxr-xr-x 6 aa aa 204 Jul 12 01:44 10 BURN
drwxr-xr-x 27 aa aa 918 Aug 22 00:34 11 MOVIES
drwxr-xr-x 38 aa aa 1292 Aug 25 21:22 8COMPLETE
drwxr-xr-x 35 aa aa 1190 Aug 24 21:57 8TORRENTS
drwx------ 44 aa aa 1496 Aug 25 18:31 9 DOWNLOAD
drwxr-xr-x 11 aa aa 374 Jul 21 14:24 AUDIO
drwxrwxrwx 6 aa aa 204 Jun 19 11:11 BACKUP
drwxr-xr-x 6 aa aa 204 Jun 9 17:44 BURNING
-rw-r--r-- 1 root aa 45568 Aug 24 10:08 Desktop DB
-rw-r--r-- 1 root aa 328642 Aug 24 15:28 Desktop DF
drwxr-xr-x 21 aa aa 714 Jul 29 10:03 GRAPHICS
drwxr-xr-x 12 aa aa 408 Aug 24 00:47 INTERNET
drwxr-xr-x 5 aa aa 170 Jul 29 11:20 Incomplete
drwxr-xr-x 24 aa aa 816 Aug 24 18:45 MISC
-rwxr-xr-x 1 aa aa 100 Feb 16 2006 Norton FS Index
drwxr-xr-x 10 aa aa 340 Jul 7 12:50 OFFICE
drwxr-xr-x 6 aa aa 204 Jun 12 20:08 PHONE
drwxr-xr-x 10 aa aa 340 Jul 26 03:09 PLAYERS
drwxr-xr-x 25 aa aa 850 Aug 25 21:24 UTILITIES
drwxr-xr-x 11 aa aa 374 Aug 25 21:24 Y
drwxrwxrwx 3 root aa 102 Aug 14 21:31 usr
-rw-r--r-- 1 aa aa 0 Jul 14 17:32 z-Act Mon
-rw-r--r-- 1 aa aa 0 Jul 11 14:28 z-Azureus
-rw-rw-rw- 1 aa aa 0 Jun 12 23:59 z-Bits
drwxr-xr-x 3 aa aa 102 Jun 13 23:48 z-Camino.app
drwxrwxr-x 3 aa aa 102 Jul 24 01:17 z-Eudora.app
-rw-rw-rw- 1 aa aa 0 Jul 17 15:45 z-Firefox
-rw-rw-rw- 1 aa aa 0 Jun 12 23:59 z-MSN
drwxr-xr-x 7 aa aa 238 Aug 25 17:09 z-MT
-rw-r--r-- 1 aa aa 638 Aug 25 13:56 z-MT-Wpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 aa aa 0 Aug 24 00:50 z-Mail
-rw-r--r-- 1 aa aa 0 Aug 16 10:09 z-Opera
drwxr-xr-x 3 aa aa 102 Apr 18 04:30 z-Path Finder.app
drwxr-xr-x 3 aa aa 102 Aug 13 23:36 z-PathFinder4.5.app

thoule - Aug 26, 2006 - 1:53 am

Permissions on .Trashes looks just fine. I'm not sure what else the problem could be. Is this an external drive? Perhaps you can bring it to an Apple Store and try deleting a file on it from one of their computers. Also, I recommend you follow Cheryl's advice of creating a test user account and trying to delete a file from your 250 from there. I'll do some google search on this problem and also put your question back in the open pool...

TechSupport - Aug 29, 2006 - 1:55 am