iLife

And what about those who did not have iLife 4? ...

The same is true about iLife '05, which is the current shipping version. You can choose to not update that software, even if you have an internet connection. iLife 05 updates if you already have those apps, or installs complete versions if they do not exist on your system. ...

As a matter of interest, I shouldn't expect to get iLife '05 as part of Tiger, should I? ...

Well if I agree to both your replies let me put it this way: 1. What is the commercial reasoning of selling a product which is already out of date. Formally I can make a strong case that Apple has sold me a product which it knows contains a fault. Use of software update requires internet, which to my reading of the iLife'05 is not indicated as a required prerequisite - no I...

no it isn't. I can choose pictures from iphoto without a problem. i have 10.3 and iLife 04. ...

Panther is just the operating system and does not include iLife, which is a separate application suite. You can get iLife from Apple directly for 49 USD. New Macs come with iLife, but that doesn't make it part of the OS. ...

Like, no, this or that iLife app will not work in panther because it relies on the new coreaudio or whatever. ...

get a Pioneer DVR-109 and use PatchBurn3 (makes iLife/Disc Burning recognise it)

get a Pioneer DVR-109 and use PatchBurn3 (makes iLife/Disc Burning recognise it)

yeah, i know.... the video support in iPhoto, thats only in iLife 05 right? ...